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jlatenight
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:13 am    Post subject: Need some advice Reply with quote

Hello all, I'm trying to break into the voice-over field, but I'm having some trouble getting started and I need some advice for all you seasoned professionals out there. I work full-time in Boston for a large financial company. I'm constantly told by friends and family that I should perform comedically in some way: stand-up, voice-overs, etc. I've always dismissed it, and frankly the thought terrified me, but I've recently decided to look into it more. I have very limited experience performing. My concern is I have limited free time; work and two children. Was anyone else in a similar situation when they started?

I don't have an "announcer" voice, which seems like the majority of work out there is geared towards. My style is more flexible and comedic: great natural comedic timing, impersonations, cartoon voices, sound effects, etc. What's the best way, with limited time, to get my feet wet with this? So far, I've read "There's Money Where Your Mouth Is" and I have a decent make-shift home studio set up connected to my PC to practice with. What should be my next step?

1. Jump in and hang my shingle on voice.com or voice123.com? I'm reluctant to spend any money without making any first.
2. Take a training class of some kind? I'm considering the voice-over classes at bostoncasting.com, if anyone's familiar.
3. Roll the dice and go to some auditions right off the bat? To me, that seems like too much of a shock without any real training.

What I'd like to have is a mentor in this business; someone local to the Boston area I can trust who's willing to advise me in the right direction. Someone I can watch and learn from. Any and all advice GREATLY appreciated!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

First, what's your name? Smile

Second, I'm neither a candidate for Boston-area mentor or somebody who was in your situation, but I'll share a few thoughts anyway.

One thing you'll find is that the people here are from a fairly diverse set of situations. There are people here who work exclusively out of their home or office studios via ISDN, for instance. And there are those who rarely, if ever, record from their own equipment, except maybe for auditions.

From that standpoint, there's really no right or wrong way to go about launching your v.o. career.

Having a full-time job is definitely at least a speedbump, if not a road block, unless your company is really flexible with when you leave for auditions or recording sessions. In my case, for instance, I could not have done a lot of the v.o. work I've done if I had a full-time job with an inflexible schedule...most of it, in fact.

Since I own my business, I can hop in my booth to record auditions or head into the city to record sessions whenever I need to.

Spending money without making any is often a necessary part of starting a business, which is what v.o. is if you take it seriously. You've already spent money on the book and your home recording setup. Only you can decide whether voices.com or voice123.com is worth your money, but I probably would advise against giving up your day job just because you've set up an account with either or both of them Wink

Yes, definitely get some training. It's necessary. Unless some otherworldly, ethereal lifeform has blessed you with an innate skillset of breath control, mic technique, vocal reading ability for different kinds of copy, then you need training. And this will be one of things where you'll likely want advice from somebody local.

No, don't go to auditions right off the bat. Do you have a demo? Do you have a website? Are both of these professional? Think about anything you'd hire somebody for and ask yourself if you'd waste your time or money on somebody who has really great intentions but no experience, no professional training and no professional preparedness. Now ask yourself how forgiving a director, producer, audio engineer, advertising exec etc. would be by being put into that position, and if you think you'd likely get hired by any of those people. Ever.

Like any profession, v.o. takes training. And like many other professions, it also takes some natural talent. The two together, with lots of practice and professionalism could take you to great places.

Finally, lots of people have asked questions similar to yours before, so use the search function here and try to find some previous conversations about this. Homework never really goes away Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lou, Thanks so much for the reply. My name's Jon Waitneight, by the way. Given your great advice, I think the next step for me is professional training, and a professional demo. Is there a good way to find VO training near me? I only know of this class: http://mediaperformanceinstitute.com/?cat=16 Which looks good, but it's pretty far.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon... welcome to the VO-BB.

I can only echo Lou's comments and add that perusing through the VO-BB archives will be to your benefit. Lots of ideas, tips, books and training options. Use the search option.

I see you've had a V123 spot for about a month... but no demos. Kinda like bringing a knife to a gunfight. If you do have some demos or voice samples, it might help to post some in the critique area of the VO-BB. Some of the best voices and ears in the industry are listening and would be happy to offer advice.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL! Thanks Bailey, yeah I know. I threw up a voice123 profile just to make myself feel like I was getting somewhere. I'll cut some demo stuff and add it to my profile there, but I can't post in the forums because I'm not a paying member yet. Don't think I'm ready.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:11 am    Post subject: from another noob Reply with quote

jlatenight wrote:
Lou, Thanks so much for the reply. My name's Jon Waitneight, by the way.


Hi Jon,

As someone already said, each person follows a different path to get there, and no one path is right or wrong, and most will agree on this. I too am new to the scene. I have an extensive acting/tv/speaking history but am also facing decisions and challenges similar to what you are encountering.

First off... no one is going to tell you, "you are ready to go" .. you will have to make that determination on your own. You will however get plenty of feedback in the general terms of "you're not ready" and much encouragement to obtain training.

Make sure you weight all opinions equally as you will get many, and some that may seem to be at odds with a another. There are no gray areas in some issues and plenty in others. Hardware and software issues result in wide arrays of opinions and the process of getting from noob to a real income is as varyed as there are people.

I firmly believe the "don't make a demo too soon" advice. As well as don't debut until you are really ready... with marketing, a biz plan, a real set of targets and contacts..

Training? yeeessh.. seems like there is as much money being made training VO talent as there is made being a VO talent. That said I have spent some serious cash on some seriously talented people to help me. I attended Voice2008, just did a 3-day master class with Abshire and Alburger, and tomorrow I fly to ATL for a 2-day calls with Bob the Bergen! I've been reading and listening to everything I can get my hands and ears on.

I would be very cautious about signing up for classes anywhere if You don't have some real good feedback about the quality of the teacher and/or school. The single most important skill to have is acting ability. I would encourage you to get into community theater and/or seek out acting classes. I also believe that form someone that is shy on the acting side that an Improvisation class could be the most helpful. In order to act well, we need to be able to free ourselves to play. Improv helps us remember how to play.

There is as much to learn about the business as there is to learn about being a Voice Actor.... and we need both... and practice... and determination... and talent... and then there is skill...and finally some luck.... but luckwill really only come in to play when all the rest are there too...

Good Luck and let us know about the training you do and how it went for you.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jason...I'm hearing a little of last weekend in there. That was a great time for sure.

More sushi!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Community theater and Toastmasters are good ways to explore your yearn to perform, and both will strengthen your vocal abilities both for voiceover and life in general.

Training, practice, setting up a home studio, etc.

It can be a little overwhelming at first so be patient! But there are people who have established themselves in the biz while holding down day jobs and families.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:02 pm    Post subject: Hey Chuck Reply with quote

Chuck Davis wrote:
Jason...I'm hearing a little of last weekend in there. That was a great time for sure.

More sushi!


just sitting here listening to some gaaaroovy jazz(ahmed jamal)... yeah.. a good weekend.

That was some of the best Sushi I've had in a while... good portions, fresh, tasty .. mmmMmm... Sooooooooosheeeeeeeeeee.

Dewd!

Yeah a little of that, and a lot of here and a lot of over on voice-over.com and from all over really. There is an amazing amount of information.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I'm in the Boston area and I basically started out by studying with a voice coach in one of her classes. The class is a good way to go to get your feet wet and get feedback.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jlatenight wrote:
... but I can't post in the forums because I'm not a paying member yet.

I was refering to the Critique Area of the VO-BB when I said, "Some of the best voices and ears in the industry are listening and would be happy to offer advice."
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who loves Jim?
I do.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon,

I'm in Cambridge and I'd be willing to email or talk with you about teachers etc. in this area. I'm not qualified to mentor anyone at this point.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jlatenight wrote:
Is there a good way to find VO training near me? I only know of this class: http://mediaperformanceinstitute.com/?cat=16 Which looks good, but it's pretty far.


Jon - First let me say welcome to the biz and all the questions that it brings with it.

Second - let me state clearly that I am not shilling my own services here...

There are many, many, many VO training options out there. Some of them will be good for you, many of them will leave you with little more than an empty wallet. The best advice I can give you is TAKE YOUR TIME.

Do not rush into this. Don't make snap decisions on coaches and training. Don't spend a dollar unless you are certain of where it is going and what you will get for it. Voice Over isn't going to go anywhere. It will be here a year or two down the road when you'd be ready to make a move in it.

Ask around about coaches if you are planning to get one. Read about them. Ask them questions. If they will only answer questions after you pay them - they're not what you are looking for. Just be cautious - as there are many pitfalls along the way. Some of those pits are natural and other have been dug by someone and covered up with leaves, waiting for you to come walking along.

You're in good hands with this group here. I doubt any of them would intentionally lead you astray...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael Minetree wrote:
I doubt any of them would intentionally lead you astray...


No, we would never do that.

Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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