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georgethetech
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob's backup technique is about the best you can do.
Chat this mantra with me:
"Computer DATA that doesn't exist in two places at once, might as well not exist at all"
Just copying your day's (or week's) work from internal to external drives or between two physical drives of any kind is a very good start.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can use free "drive copy" programs to make a complete backup of your hard drive. Seagate makes a good one. Maxtor has one too. (Although Seagate bought Maxtor)

Another option is Carbonite Online Backup recommended by Leo Laporte. It's a service that lets you backup your drive off site and is only $50 a year.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has been a very interesting thread- thank you smart people!

I use my main hard drive, and an external hard drive to save sessions. Then, I have a second external solely for back-up (which takes place every couple of weeks). This last week, my back-up drive pooped out on me and I can't seem to get it going. (It's a Maxtor- so hearing that this happens and it comes back is good) Today I was planning to unplug everything and see what happens.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a piece of personal experience here - Maxtor drives fail me often enough that I refuse to use them.

Or allow HW architects at work to use them in their designs.

No issues with WD or Seagate, Toshiba, Hitachi or any other major brand. Maxtor just seems to have issues.

Second piece of personal experience here. At a minimum, do a backup about once per week (I do it three times daily, but we've all agreed on the fact that I'm somewhat insane and paranoid, and I have a NAS using Veritas, including a server to manage such things).
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Greg! That's good to know- especially about the weekly back-up. My computer tech [AKA- my husband's best friend] is coming over tomorrow- I'll have him re-set it!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seagates and WD do have better track records. You don't always know what's inside your backup solution though. If it's a good deal, there's usually a reason.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob's dead on. For that reason I recommend Symantec Ghost to most folks. It's easy to use and does the job (not to thrilled with how it insinuates itself to one's system, but all Symantec products do that).

If you have the cash, Veritas Netbackup.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kara.... glad I could be of assistance in your learning. Smile

I like the idea of an online backup. I might look into that as well.

THANKS everyone for your help.

Oh, and, if it's not memory, then how does it remember everything?? Ha ha... just kidding. Sorry... it's "storage" - I'll try to remember that. Know what's funny? Compared to my friends, I'm a techie and I help them with their computer issues... but here, I'm so not!!! Scarey, huh? There are all levels... you guys are tops... in every way!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CarynClark wrote:
Kara.... glad I could be of assistance in your learning. Smile

I like the idea of an online backup. I might look into that as well.



I like this idea if you have need for a "cold site" storage for one's home business. That is, if your office is destroyed and you need to stand up everything within 48-72 hours. But here's the rub: what guarantee do you have for confidentiality, integrity, or availability from the company? I used one for a client (they contracted the service) a few years back and when their systems were infected with the SQL slammer worm, it was thought that it would be easy to get the backups. It wasn't because the service provider (ISP) and the company itself were having the same problems with this infection.

Long story short, I walked to a safe I had installed in their CEO's office, opened it and took the backups I'd manually made out, walked over to the first infected server and did it manually. Lesson learned: online backup is nice, but if something is critical via confidentiality requirement or timeliness, you need to have a physical copy near by.

/I charged an extra 20% for my "forward thinking" approach to redundancy... I miss being a contractor

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Oh, and, if it's not memory, then how does it remember everything??


Back in the 80s and early 90s HD storage was often referred to as secondary memory, or secondary storage. The secondary storage term has somewhat remained to this day.

/history lesson from the dilbert-side
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know MSN just upped their free SkyDrive service to 5 Gigs. I'm not sure how easy it is to use for backup, but it might be worth a looksee.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, and many of you may agree with me, but backup software is not one of the things I'd trust to free software. Some things are great to get a deal on. Others, not so much Smile

I do backups every night at 1am. Sometimes I'm even asleep already when they start...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caryn,
Think of the hard drive as your bookshelf full of reference material, and your memory as your white board or chalk board (if you are really old school) with the stuff you are working on right now. Memory is volatile, like the white board. Turning your computer off or powering it down is erasing the white board. All your books of reference material is the data that you can reference for your work area where the white board is. It's slower to access the books since you have to go over to them, look for what you need, etc... (searching files) but what's on your white board is right there on the wall, easy to see, quick to referemce (RAM). The bigger the white board, the more data you can have quickly at hand. (more RAM)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to try online storage, you can get 5gb FREE at XDrive.
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