VO-BB - 20 YEARS OLD!

Ed Gambill · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject:

I'm not rich like Frank, so I use a Peluso 22-251. A microphone inspired by the Telefunken ELMA 251 with C12 style capsule and good guts.

I have used the 416 and other shotguns on location sound. They have a distinctive sound.

Large diaphragm are probably used in most situations. If Frank is using a vintage C12 you would need $15,000 for him to consider selling it. Now if my 22-251 were a vintage ELMA 251 the same price would hold. In the recording business those two microphones are the holly grail. There are large diaphram micropones and then ,there are other large diaphram microphones.

Now I'm going get it for sure

PS Rember all those heavy hitters doing the Night Before Christmas video. It looked all the world to me like a 103 and not a 416 they were on. And I think it was recoreded in LA area.
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Hart · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject:

It's been said before but I think it's worth repeating here. Part of the success of the "standards, " being the Sennheiser MKH416 and the Neumann U-87, are the fact that they are standards. Engineers know how each mic sounds and what to do with that sound. There's something to be said for that. Does it mean these are the only two mics you should consider? Of course not. But it is worth remembering.

I love my 416. I also love my RE-20. And I also love that wireless SM58 knockoff I keep only because it was my very first microphone and my mother gave it to me so many years ago when I was DJ'ing 16 year old girls' birthday parties. <shudder>.

But I digress. As Yoda is found of saying, mics are like paint brushes etc.
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Ed Gambill · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject:

I agree, here is my brush can.

Three Peluso 22-251 matched to 1 db for Decca tree work and VO
One RCA 44
One AKG 414 EB
One AKG 414 ULS
Three AKG 451 EB
One AKG 480/CK1
One Shure VP88
One Shure SM57
One Shure SM89 Shotgun

I respect that comfort comes to many when they buy a microphone that others use. But I have never been one to be told how to think about anything or product. So I make selections that I know will work the way I want them to work. I think that really good engineers probably march to the beat of their own drum as well.

PS Frank has more microphones than god. (God doesn’t need them any way) By comparison to Frank and several others I’m microphone poor. Thinking about a 416 in a few months. Just because, and for no
other reason.
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Frank F · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject:

One day I asked a favor of God and I said in re-payment of the favor I would throw all my microphones up in the air and he could keep all he wanted... Well, you know the rest of the story...

Truth - I have collected microphones for more than 30 years, and I have a couple or three in my collection.

O.K., back on track; Shotguns for location work are fine, and yes many, many studios use a shotgun mic for "second sourcing" (i.e.: use the main mic as a near field and a shotgun for far-field to keep the room sound), this gives a wonderful robust sound. Some studios use a shotgun "in-studio" to match the audio for film or video.

My C-12's are worth approximately $45,000 USD, right now. Would I sell them? No! In fact, H#%% NO! They serve a purpose in my facility.

All right, Q. Would I use a sho(t)gun for VO, for imaging, or other voiceover related projects? Embarrassed

A. Depends upon the circumstances.

Q. Should you use a shotgun for VO?

A. Depends upon the circumstances and if your voice is right for a shotgun.

Someone I know, just bought a 416. he asked me what I thought. I told him, it would be good for his voice.

Also, the only shotguns I own right now are Schoepps CMIT5U's. Why? because I like how they sound.

Toodles

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Brett Mason · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject:

scottnilsen · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject:

snorting with laughter
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Hart · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject:

I'd love to buy Jeff's M147 he's got for sale. just because (Hi Ed!) but I've got other fish in the pan at the moment. Like building a studio... oh, and a house. Can't forget that little project.
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Frank F · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject:

Whoops --- hehehe - noodles.... Embarrassed

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Hart · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject:

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Jowillie · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject:

ED.
I have a video breakfast scheduled with the gentleman in your avatar within the next couple of weeks. (Something about his Country Ham)
I WILL be using a Sennhieser MKH 416 to record the dialouge and conversations.
(and I have noticed most, not all, of the people that knock the 416 for voiceover apparently have never really tried one properly for VO.) Wink

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Diane Maggipinto · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject:

discussions like these are similar to pink and blue tasks--those for women,those for men. i mean NOT to paint with a broad brush or anything (heh.)

but what ed said is interesting: [note: i fixed your typos]

bobsouer · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject:

Diane,

Yes, the sound was stellar. In my case, because of circumstances regarding where I was (the specific studio) my voice was on a U87ai, through and Avalon M5 pre.
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Frank F · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject:

JoWillie,

Just so you know - Yes, I have tried a 416 for voiceovers. The real question is have you tried a C-12? Or, have you tried a Sony C800 for voiceovers, or...

I have recorded for film and video on location, I have tried just about every shotgun microphone available in just about every conceivable situation - and I still would not use a shotgun microphone for recording voiceovers - unless it the only microphone available. I always ask this question, let's see how you answer: "You could use a shotgun microphone for recording voiceovers, but why"? The same question could be asked regarding vocalists, would you use a shotgun microphone when recording this years "female vocalist of the year" for her latest album?

Frank Frederick
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bobsouer · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject:

Frank F · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject:

Yeah, now that is what I am talking about!

The right tool for the right job.

Frank F
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