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All The Generals Pop Their "P's" HELP!
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Jeff McNeal
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An easy way to rid yourself of plosives, when smiling isn't necessarily appropriate and you don't have a wind screen (aside from the already aforementioned suggestions).

Put the palm of your hand in right in front of your mouth and say the letter "p" normally. You'll feel the puff of air that causes the plosive. Now, try it again with your upper lip pushed forward, just slightly. It will be enough to direct the plosive downward, away from your hand and more importantly, the diaphram of the microphone. This will allow you to work the mic straight on if you wish, while effectively eliminating the plosives.

I generally haven't used a windscreen on a microphone in 25 years, and only started to in limited fashion just recently, more as a condensation barrier to protect the diaphram more than anything else, I think that even the finest windscreens color the sound albeit slightly, and I don't care for that aspect of using them.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeff McNeal wrote:

I generally haven't used a windscreen on a microphone in 25 years.... I think that even the finest windscreens color the sound albeit slightly, and I don't care for that aspect of using them.


Here, here! I never use screens at home if I can help it. I reduce my plosives somewhat through reading technique, but I also find if you get the right angle of attack on the sweet spot of your mic, and cross it's path with the best part of your voice without speaking right into your mic, you'll miss most or all of the pops and get your best sound.

Try this for imagery: There's a sweet spot about the size of a grapefruit floating about 6" in front of the mics I work with, and there's similar grapfruit sized area of the best of your voice floating in front of you mouth when you read and it varies from a few inches to several inches away from your mouth depending on how loud you're reading. Make those two "grapefruit" sized spheres intersect without firing directly into the mic and you should be nearly popless.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The key here gang is: this is a wireless lavalier Sgt. Eder is working with in the field (i.e.: a press conference). NOT a studio microphone.

Bruce has the right concept, however, you must deal with the assets and limitations of the lavalier. Pantyhose, windscreens, pop filters, etc. of the traditional "studio" variety will not work, and I specifically do not want to see any General walking around with pantyhose on his/her uniform.

All right, so here is what I do when confronted with 'plosive's (which means a rush of air; forcably and quickly presented to the pickup (diaphragm) of a microphone) with lavaliers: using a foam lavalier windscreen, I change the aspect of the microphone first - from vertical (12:00/6:00) to horizontal (3:00/9:00).

Then, if necessary, I will cut a peice of fine mesh metal window screen into a square; which will be formed into a cylindar and wrapped around the foam windscreen of the lavalier. The windscreen should be tight enough to hold on nicely and be secured with duct tape (or duck tape for those who need clarification). The screen "cylindar" should extend approximately 1/4" past the active end of the lavalier.

The above process works as a "pop filter" or 'plosive filter in this case. and if fashioned with black fine mesh metal window screen... it actually looks fairly nice... well, O.K., -- it works.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is all strange to me. I have done some live sound and video production in my day and used lav mics. I am not sure how someone is getting plosives if the mic is secured to a jacket/uniform or shirt. I have never heard of this problem. Is the mic being held by the person up to their mouth? Are they talking downward toward their jacket? Or are the sounds you hear from clothing rubbing the mic?

Wind noise...yes. The mic rubbing against clothing...yes. The person accidentally hitting or bumping the mic, yes also. I have experienced these but not plosives on a lav mic. Interesting.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben, et al:

You hit it on the nose in one part of your dissertation...
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Are they talking downward toward their jacket?


Next time you watch a General or other non-pro with lots of points to make and paper to read... watch what this person does with their head... aimed directly down to thier chest. This means 'plosives.

I do a lot of Location Sound for film and video, and this is the one area where you must pay attention when dealing with non-pro's.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frank F wrote:

Then, if necessary, I will cut a peice of fine mesh metal window screen into a square; which will be formed into a cylindar and wrapped around the foam windscreen of the lavalier. The windscreen should be tight enough to hold on nicely and be secured with duct tape (or duck tape for those who need clarification). The screen "cylindar" should extend approximately 1/4" past the active end of the lavalier.
Frank F


Frank...turns out they are using a desk mic lav. I will cut some window screen today and add that. Fingers crossed!
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh, that makes sense Frank. I really have never recorded/videotaped anyone looking down at notes while standing at a podium. So, I can now see how this can happen.

All the stuff I have ever done has either been teleprompted or interview fashion and no popping p's have ever been an issue. Smile
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