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LaughterHeals
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 6:49 pm    Post subject: Studio Projects B3 - reviews from VOs? Reply with quote

I'm looking for a beginning studio setup.
Has anyone here (or via a reliable third party) evaluated the Studio Projects B3? Just wondering if it's a good choice for male voice and what attributes you experienced.

Here's their link to it.
http://studioprojects.com/b3.html

It's on the lower end of price range condenser with a 1" diaphram and able to switch between cardioid/Omni-directional/figure 8.

Also, if you've tried it, any recommendations on best possible low-mid price range amp-pre, etc. to mate with it?

Much Thanks!!!!

James
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't speak for the C3...but Studio Projects makes a hell of preamp. Try their VTB-1 tube pre. I have/use one and couldn't be happier Smile
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:06 pm    Post subject: Studio Projects B3 ... and VTB-1 Reply with quote

allensco wrote:
Can't speak for the C3...but Studio Projects makes a hell of preamp. Try their VTB-1 tube pre. I have/use one and couldn't be happier Smile


Thank you, Allen.
I was referring to the Studio Projects B3, not the C3.
How does the C1 compare?

I appreciate your recommendation of the Studio Projects VTB1. Are there any caviats? Anything that you've found is perhaps a wonderful compliment (also low-mid price range) to the VTB1?

James
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I own the SP B1 and C1. Love them both. The B1 is the B3 without the selectable pattern, pad and high pass filter. I bought the C1 just because I liked the sound of the B1 so much. If you can spend a few dollars more the C1 is a great mic.
Others are Rode, Audio Technica and AKG. Lots of options in the $200 range.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been using a SP B1 exclusively at home for the past several years. It's worked out perfectly for my purposes. In fact a couple of weeks ago my biggest client asked me what kind of mic I use at home because "whenever you send us pickups, they match great with what you've recorded here in our studio" (they use an AKG 414).

Every time I start thinking about upgrading, I smack myself upside the head and realize there are other things I can be spending money on. That's not to say I'll never get another mic, but it's not high on the list of priorities.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:59 am    Post subject: Re: Studio Projects B3 ... and VTB-1 Reply with quote

LaughterHeals wrote:
allensco wrote:
Can't speak for the C3...but Studio Projects makes a hell of preamp. Try their VTB-1 tube pre. I have/use one and couldn't be happier Smile


Thank you, Allen.
I was referring to the Studio Projects B3, not the C3.
How does the C1 compare?

I appreciate your recommendation of the Studio Projects VTB1. Are there any caviats? Anything that you've found is perhaps a wonderful compliment (also low-mid price range) to the VTB1?

James


Yeah...the B3...typo on my part...sorry 'bout that. On the VTB-1, I bought one and changed out the generic tube in favor of a 1958 vintage Mullard. My mic is a Lawson L47FET. The combo is definitely a good one as I get a great sound out of it. I haven't run into any problems with the VTB-1. It's built very solid and is very quiet. Great unit for the money.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go with the B1, you don't need directional options of the B3 for VO.

You would be very happy with a CAD M177. American made and doesn't have the harsh sound of other cheaper condensor mics.

Right now, you can get an M177 with schockmount for an unbelievably low
79.99 from musicians friend dot com. This is normally and $180 to $200 package!! Great mic. I use it, and paid more than 79.99. Musicians Friend
must have a big stock, bcause everyone else is around $150 without a shockmount.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too use a SP B1 and it's a wonderful sounding mic. Totally recomend it
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

billelder wrote:
I own the SP B1 and C1. Love them both. The B1 is the B3 without the selectable pattern, pad and high pass filter. I bought the C1 just because I liked the sound of the B1 so much. If you can spend a few dollars more the C1 is a great mic.
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Bill Elder.
Thank you for the links to other Mic threads. I did attempt the search mechanism. Enter B1 or B-1 in the search box and it returns 0 results. Again, thanks for the links. Very helpful.

To Everyone:
Warning: Extreme ignorance about to be displayed!! ... What are the "pad" and "high pass filter" for and what difference does it make in the qualities of the recording?

What are the differences between the B1 and C1 that make the C1 worth the extra money, in your opinions?

I get the point that I wouldn't likely need the multiple patterns offered by the B3 or C3 for VO work. I'm still curious about something though ... when it offers multiple pickup patterns, is the quality of the pattern or other areas of sensitivity compromised by it's ability to do all three? I've often seen in other areas of technology that inclusion of multiple features means that it's really not fantastic at any of them, or great at one of them and not worth spending the extra expense for the other features. Digital cameras that also do video are an example.

If I'm understanding what's being said in this thread and some others, selecting a mic cannot be determined solely by mic characteristics but must be an individual fit to the VO's voice. So, I'll limit down the possabilities a bit via cost and general opinions of whether a mic works well with VO work. Then limit down a bit further by expressed opinions of male vs female voice fit to mics mentioned. Then, take the surviving list of options and do what I can to live test each one. Does anyone have a suggestion of a standardized pattern script that tends to run the full typical range of tone, timbre, volume, pitch and 'plosives when read aloud?


Again, I'm _very_ new at this so please excuse what might seem to be stupid questions, comments, assertions ... etc. while I snuggle in to what some of you have been doing for a quarter century or more. At first I thought I'd just "lurk" for quite some time but, from the discussions I've read thus far, there are likely a great many newbies like myself that have similar questions and might be afraid of seeming the fool amongst the far more experienced. I don't have that fear because I know I know nothing. Can't go anywhere but UP!!!

Thank you! This is a Fantastic Group!!

James
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James,

Pad refers to a setting on the microphone that lowers the level coming from the mic if a particular mic signal is to hot (too powerful).

High Pass filter removes or filters out the very lowest pitches leaving everything else to "pass through." This is sometimes used by a talent with a VERY deep bass voice or to eliminate some sort of low rumble in the room where the recording is taking place.

The main reason for getting a microphone with a single pattern is that it's usually less expensive for the same basic sound. Why spend money buying the ability to do multiple patterns if you'll only ever use the cardiod pattern?

As far as a script for testing purposes, there isn't a standard piece of copy; but you've identified the elements you'll want to test. So, since you know what you need, write or google for copy that includes those elements. (At least, that's what I'd do.)

I hope these thoughts help.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob.

Thank you. Yes, it helps quite a bit!
Ahhh... clearity.
I've been reading Harlan Hogan's "The Voice Actor's Guide to Home Recording" but it makes no mention (that I found) of Highpass filters or pads, etc. Is there a book or other resource that you would recommend? Something mid to non-techy?

Again, Thanks.

James
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James,

You're welcome. I wish I knew of such a book. I don't. But, take some time to read the entire archives of the gear section here. That will be one of the best educations you can find on such subjects.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

James,

Don't ever worry about asking. I'd worry about you if you didn't!

When I bought the B1 it was $99. If you're on a budget, it's a great mic. I've also heard great things about the MXL 990.

You might try here to read some users reviews of the B1.
And here for user reviews on the MXL 990.

I've also read good things about the Audio Technica 2020. Keep in mind that most of these reviews are from musicians.

This is only the beginning. Smile What you buy now doesn't have to be perfect or the last item. Good luck and let us know what you decide and what you think of your purchase!
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While this site isn't VO related per se, it does have quite a bit of information about all aspects of recording, including an interesting mic shootout. http://www.transom.org/tools/recording_interviewing/
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

billelder wrote:
James,
...
This is only the beginning. Smile What you buy now doesn't have to be perfect or the last item. Good luck and let us know what you decide and what you think of your purchase!


Well, after gathering wisdom, preferance and opinion from my appreciated and soon to become dear friends here, I'm going in on Monday (May 20) to do some mic/voice tests with a production engineer that's got over 25 years experience (VO is a specialty of his), several mics to choose from and, should he feel it appropriate, even a mic modeling program (I don't think he'll end up using that). When all is said and done, I would think I'll be about as close to a personalized mic fit as I'm gonna get at this point. From there, I'm going SHOPPING!! (on a tight budget, but still exciting!!!)

James
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