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Philip Banks
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CAREER DEVELOPEMENT TIP 43A/2.11
If anyone has an "Us and them" attitude or belief take time out to erase the line of separation. |
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audio'connell
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Does that mean THEY are not "above" us or WE are not "below" them? 
(Don't tell him I said so but he IS right, by the way)
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Philip Banks
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| More a case of alongside, supportively. |
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Bruce
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| TGG wrote: | | Cool Bruce. Did YOU get to meet these guys? That's very cool. |
No but her people got to talk to Harvey's people!
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Philip Banks
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KaraEdwards
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Off the top of my head, I can't think of a 'big name' actor that did a bad job in a feature animation...we're all actors right? Name recognition is everything- and I don't blame any studio for wanting well known names associated with a project. However, I know that the movie 'Cars' had at least 2 main characters that were not voiced by 'big stars'. One was voiced by a writer.
I think all things come full circle over time...I'm sure the pendulum will swing back our way at some point. In the meantime- I'm not buying into this whole 'there's no longer a need for character voice actors'- my bills are still getting paid!
On another note- I'm diggin this site- thanks for welcoming me in!
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Travis
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Since I work in Southern California, I sometimes get the opportunity to audition for projects where "celebrity" voices are also considered. So far I've lost jobs to Tom Selleck, Martin Sheen, Harrison Ford and Tim Allen.
The worst part of all of this is how good the celebrities have been in the parts that I lost. I've come to the conclusion that these people got to where they are not just because of dumb luck... or good agents - talent seems to figure in there somewhere too.
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bobsouer
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| Travis wrote: | | ...talent seems to figure in there somewhere too. |
Travis,
That's something you're not completely lacking, yourself, however. Which, no doubt, explains why you're even getting auditions for this kind of work.
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Jeffrey Kafer
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| bobsouer wrote: | | Travis wrote: | | ...talent seems to figure in there somewhere too. |
Travis,
That's something you're not completely lacking, yourself, however. Which, no doubt, explains why you're even getting auditions for this kind of work. |
Amen, brother. You beat me to it, but I was going to say that it's "an honor just to be nominated". 
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Jeffrey Kafer
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| Travis wrote: | | Since I work in Southern California, I sometimes get the opportunity to audition for projects where "celebrity" voices are also considered. |
And this brings up another great point. The actors that were complaining about losing VO gigs were based in Bellevue Washington! Not exactly the hub of the entertainment industry. Say what you will about ISDN and Source Connect (iSPEEK!) allowing you to be "Worldwide", there's something about going into their studios and doing it live in front of a director. Add to it that they videotape the actors so that the animators can "copy" their physical and facial movements, and proximity to the industry you want to be a part of seems vital.
I work in video games, and we NEVER do remote talent that I know of. We always bring them in to the studio, either in Redmond or through BlindLight in Los Angeles depending on the scope of the project.
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richgates
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I would suspect that for any national spots you would need to be in the studio unless you are well established and trusted by the producer/director.
I know that guys like Joe Cipriano and Don LaFontaine still go into the studios a lot, but I think in their cases it is more for face time than anything. Being able to work out of a home studio allows for voice talent to get a lot more work done which equates to more cha-ching.
If only to have their problems... |
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ConnieTerwilliger
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| kitstern wrote: | | But they probably wouldn't be caught dead doing an industrial narration |
Not true - we once hired "Jean Luc Pickard" to do a VO for a historical piece on the Centaur (I think it was the Centaur) for in house use. Of course it was something related to space...
Some of this conversation goes back to what Philip was talking about in the teleconference - the unique signature sound PLUS the acting ability.
I've been thinking a lot about this since listening to the call and have a brand new class for my Introduction to Acting for Voiceover to work with as I try to find a way to communicate these critically important aspects of our business. Not only does a voice talent need to understand their own voice, they have to know that they have the acting skills to make the copy come to life.
This is where the skill of self-evaluation (beginner or pro) will help.
Of course after that, there is the branding and the marketing and the technology to tackle.
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bobsouer
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| ConnieTerwilliger wrote: | Not only does a voice talent need to understand their own voice, they have to know that they have the acting skills to make the copy come to life.
This is where the skill of self-evaluation (beginner or pro) will help.
Of course after that, there is the branding and the marketing and the technology to tackle. |
Connie,
This is why one of the classes at VOICE about which I'm most excited is the one you are teaching. It's so cool that you're thinking about this stuff, and I'm sure we're all going to benefit from your efforts.
I'm sure all the classes are going to be valuable, but the two key areas where I need to raise my game to a new level are self-direction and self-promotion.
It's only a few more weeks! Woo Hoo!
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Travis
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| bobsouer wrote: | | Travis wrote: | | ...talent seems to figure in there somewhere too. |
Travis,
That's something you're not completely lacking, yourself, however. Which, no doubt, explains why you're even getting auditions for this kind of work. |
Thanks Bob....
While I'm always a glutton for compliments, I have to admit that in this case it's simply due to my location. The Tom Selleck one was a PSA being produced by a regular client that was planning to use me - Tom became available through a friend of one of the members of the association. Martin Sheen - a similar situation.
On the Tim Allen one, the producer wanted to hear some "other voices and attacks" before making a final decision, and as I recall the "Harrison Ford" audition was because Mr. Ford might be "out of the country" when the VO would be required.
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Jeffers
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I am for the Celeb voice if it is a distinctive voice. I really don't want to hear Drew Carey doing Drew Carey! Patricia Heaton voicing a role as a mom? Okay, maybe, but isn't that typecasting?
I would like to hear them do a character. I do think that a name draw is good for a movie. It is fantastic! It draws more money to animation and likesomeone said earlier, more work! All I ask is just be different! Now I think that a GREAT director, can bring out a great performance, in a great actor, on any medium!
I would really like to see Pixar cast an unknown (okay, *ME) in a main role. Lets see how that movie would sell at the Box Office. So is it the Pixar name that is the draw or the name of the celeb that is the draw?
Personally I would go to ANY & EVERY Pixar film just because they rock!!
(* Okay I know I haven't a chance at this stage but I guy can dream Dammit!!)
Jeffers
BTW: I love what Billy West can do, he is good!!
Pat, I would LOVE to hear you in a feature role on a Pixar film!!! |
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