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Jeffrey Kafer
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 Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: bye bye Voices123! |
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My free 1 month trial at Voices123.com expired today. After many leads and 135 auditions, I didn't get a single nibble. So I guess there's no reason to blow $200 on that service.
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audio'connell
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry to say they won't even miss you.
It's a cattle call over there and if you're not willing to write off the fee as lost money, expecting never to get a job, you are right not to pay the fee.
I joined having been willing to lose the money and I've always made money back...not endorsing (not by a long shot) just a perspective for you,
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Jeffrey Kafer
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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yeah I don't imagine they'll miss me. The feeling is mutual. Hell, paying the local Chamber of Commerce is probably a better investment....
Gonna try Voices.com to see if they're any better. At least with them you can pay monthly. So after a couple of months, I'm only out $50 or so.
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davediamondprovo
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:11 am Post subject: I'm gonna burst if I don't say something.. |
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For 1.5 years now I've scoured the net and trolled voice services and sites looking for the coolest features, most useful functions and "just gotta haves" so I could prepare a business model for a world class voiceover and production showcase.
My specs are about 3 full pages, the business plan about 10 pages. I have never ever written anything about my plan anywhere but my own website.
I feel compelled to lay the basics of my plan on everyone here and get everyone's feedback.
I'm gonna prepare a short survey and post a link to it here in the next day or two. If you'd like to provide your input on what you feel would make a world class voiceover and production showcase, I encourage you to fill out the form when I post the link.
Here's something to think about. I'm seriously considering the following:
Voiceover Talents and Production Talents pay nothing, ever to use the service.
That should get you talking.
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VO-Guy
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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I'm a member of Voices.com and I can only give my experience with them. I've gotten 2 gigs that have more than paid for my membership. One was a narration and the other I just did was for a regional TV VO. Both came from private leads, not through auditioning on the site. My experience has been good with voice.com.
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davediamondprovo
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| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| VO-Guy wrote: | I'm a member of Voices.com and I can only give my experience with them. I've gotten 2 gigs that have more than paid for my membership. One was a narration and the other I just did was for a regional TV VO. Both came from private leads, not through auditioning on the site. My experience has been good with voice.com.
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Thanks Russ. What I have in mind is something spectacular for talents. This business model can't miss. I can't believe more people haven't replied to this thread. When I say talents pay nothing to use the service, I mean just that. Who wouldn't want to be on board? I digress. Survey coming by Monday. Check this thread.
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Jeffrey Kafer
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| davediamondprovo wrote: | | When I say talents pay nothing to use the service, I mean just that. Who wouldn't want to be on board? I digress. Survey coming by Monday. Check this thread. |
Others have done this. Voicelancer.com being the most recent. and it's huge failure. not necessarily because of that aspect of the business model, though.
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davediamondprovo
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Geezeus, I can see why it's not successful in like 2 minutes on the site. Ugh. Listen I know there are hundreds of these type sites on the net but there are also hundreds of shoe manufacturers too. What I have in mind is unique.
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Jeffrey Kafer
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| davediamondprovo wrote: | | Geezeus, I can see why it's not successful in like 2 minutes on the site. Ugh. Listen I know there are hundreds of these type sites on the net but there are also hundreds of shoe manufacturers too. What I have in mind is unique. |
The main reason it wasn't successful was because they had no clients. and the one clien they did have kept offering $30 for a 30 second spot. Once the bidding began, the bottom feeders would go down to $5. Completely ludicrous and lasted about a day.
I definitely hope yours is better.
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davediamondprovo
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| JeffreyKafer wrote: | | davediamondprovo wrote: | | Geezeus, I can see why it's not successful in like 2 minutes on the site. Ugh. Listen I know there are hundreds of these type sites on the net but there are also hundreds of shoe manufacturers too. What I have in mind is unique. |
The main reason it wasn't successful was because they had no clients. and the one clien they did have kept offering $30 for a 30 second spot. Once the bidding began, the bottom feeders would go down to $5. Completely ludicrous and lasted about a day.
I definitely hope yours is better. |
Jeff,
In my research the common problem with every site I checked out (10+ big ones, dozens of smaller ones), they all permit job posts and allow the talent to bid on the work. This in my opinion is the worst method as it is degrading to the talent. Talents know what they are worth and should be paid what they are worth. Let the talent decide what they charge based on any number of criteria they choose to specify in their pricing profile, I say.
In my business model clients post their copy, choose a couple distinguishing attributes about it like (car ad, medical ad, radio, television etc.), enter their budget limit and they instantly see how many talents are available to choose from based on the aforementioned criteria. And, since talents can't see other talents pricing guides, there's no bidding war. The client chooses the talent they want available to them OR broaden their attributes and open up their budget further to see more available talents. Make sense? I can't believe I just spilled that here.
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Dave,
I, for one, am very interested to see what you've come up with. Thanks for putting so much time and energy into this idea. May it succeed beyond your wildest dreams.
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Jeffrey Kafer
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| davediamondprovo wrote: | | Let the talent decide what they charge based on any number of criteria they choose to specify in their pricing profile, I say. |
This sounds like a great plan. I'm all for it. There are soem things you'll need to consider if you haven't already:
1) What's to stop me from posting an absurdly low range so that I come up for every job?
2) how are YOU going to get paid? A percentage from the talent? The client pays to list?
3) Are you going to screen talent so you have a modicum of quality on the site? i.e. lose the bottom-feeders while still allowing for lesser-priced up and comers?
4) how will you compete for those other sites that do allow bidding? in theory, they are getting the best talent for the lowest price. In theory. Since there's no room for bargaining, how will you sell this business model to clients?
Sounds great, sir. I can't wait to see what comes of it.
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Deirdre
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I don't belong to those other sites, but I'd give Diamond Dave's a try.
Now, I know I'm not the do-all and end-all of VO, but I'd wager other talents who don't lowball might think the same.
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Jeffrey Kafer
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| Deirdre wrote: | I don't belong to those other sites, but I'd give Diamond Dave's a try.
Now, I know I'm not the do-all and end-all of VO, but I'd wager other talents who don't lowball might think the same. |
Agreed, but the very fact that Dave won't charge is going to attract a lot of bottom-feeders who will lowball the heck out of the pros who join.
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