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bobsouer
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| todd ellis wrote: | | I have been a voice-seeker as well - and personally - I don't get much beyond submission #20 before finding a voice I can use for a price I'm willing to pay. |
Todd,
I'm sure what you say is true, not only for you, but for many of those looking for voices through Voice123.com and Voices.com. But, I can tell you that I've booked multiple jobs through Voice123.com where I know my audition was submitted after at least 200 others and I was still cast.
In every one of these cases the budget involved was above $500.00 and the client clearly had a specific sound or voice in mind. So, they kept looking and in these cases I was a good match.
I have quite deliberately not written much about my observations regarding Voices.com and Voice123.com here; but I'll offer these thoughts as addenda to what has already been posted in this thread:
- The money spent on the Professional Memberships with Voices.com and Voice123.com has to been viewed as advertising money, because that's what it is.
- Audition for work that matches well with the things you do.
- If the client requests a custom demo, and you're going to respond, do a custom demo. Otherwise, don't respond.
- If the job is of sufficient interest to you, ignore how many other people have auditioned. If you're right for the job, you still have a shot. If you don't audition, you have no shot at all.
- Pick and chose the auditions with budgets sufficient to be worth your time.
I hope these thoughts are helpful. If not, please ignore.
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todd ellis
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Bob - you are absolutely correct - the more the client is paying for the job - the harder he/she will look for the right voice.
Great set of guidelines, btw.
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paddyo
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Travis
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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I don't have a link to Voice123 winning auditions, but here's a link to a bunch of voice123 auditions that DIDN'T get the job. http://www.onebigzoo.com/Losers123/ .
I should point out that in most instances, I quoted a pretty high price. These are all over a year old - I've been too busy (a good thing) lately to submit much to voice123.
I've not made much from voice123, but I've found the paid-for membership to be well worth the price - here's why: I have times when I'm really busy, and times when I'm not. When I'm not busy my skills tend to degenerate, if they're not used Voice123 provides a fairly steady supply of perfect (fresh, not well written) practice copy, and an incentive to do it.
The average quoted price for jobs on voice123 is too low for a professional in my market (Southern California) to break even, when you consider the cost, in time, to audition. However, for the other stuff I get in return, I'll happily be renewing for another year.
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TheVoiceOfBob
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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Travis,
They all sounded great to me. You're hired!
You don't slate your submissions?
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bobsouer
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| TheVoiceOfBob wrote: | | You don't slate your submissions? |
Bob,
I don't either. But I do include my name in the name of the audio file.
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todd ellis
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Travis - I think your stuff sounds great. I clicked on the solid line piece first because I ended up doing VO for a CGI Blue Jay for a training video for them. Obviously NOT the same audition - like comparing Pavarotti and Jerry Lewis!
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Jeffrey Kafer
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Travis
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| TheVoiceOfBob wrote: | | You don't slate your submissions? |
Audio "Slating" is left over from the days when casting agencies would record all the auditions onto a single open reel tape. The slate was necessary so those reviewing the auditions would have some way of knowing who they were listening to. It's not necessary today, since each audition is marked by file name etc. I, like Bob, include my name in the file name.
It is a good idea, however, to slate your name, so the client is more aware of who your are - it's good PR. I intend to slate, but I usually forget.
| JeffreyKafer wrote: | | Do you add music to all of your auditions? |
My "temperment" tends to be more of that of an "artist", rather than "business person" or "craftsperson" (unfortunately), so almost everything I do tends to be more of an "artistic statement" than anything else, including an audition -which may explain my low success rate on V123. I really can't stand to send out anything that feels to me to be incomplete or unfinished, so, yeah, music and SFX usually gets added. (This is not necessarily a good thing.)
It's also a form of "watermarking". It's almost impossible for someone to edit my words into their commercial.
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Heavy D
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Wow ! That was some great info! THANK YOU !
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kitstern
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:46 am Post subject: |
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These are all great posts, and I don't know how much more I can add. I think V123 is worth the money for all the reasons Bob and Travis gave. It's a great source of auditions when you're slow, and it's Web exposure when you're too busy to audition. A lot of producers go there for voices, not all of them low-ballers. My highest paying client last year came from an on-going gig at V123, and he just referred me for another great gig. Worth the money.....absolutely. Also, among the producers I've talked to a surprising number listen to ALL the submissions, even when it's in the hundreds.
However, it can be frustrating (and you've heard from me on this also) when you submit and submit and never hear anything, or get those emails telling you the client has decided on another voice. I delete them immediately and make a conscious effort not to think about it.
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dreimer
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:57 am Post subject: V123 GREAT info |
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All,
This thread has been great info for a noob. I have the free membership, and wondered the same thing, "Pay, or wait until I have the demos, and time to reply".
After reading this and many more threads on this board, I have decided to get my home studio up, and running, and then make some demos and THEN pay for a membership....
Thanks everyone for the info! |
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Drew
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:57 am Post subject: |
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At the bottom of those emails telling you they've selected another talent, you'll see where you can click on a link to stop receiving the rejection emails. I did that over a year ago. That way, it's easier to do the audition and forget about it.
Several of my on-going, very regular clients came from V123 auditions.
Like the others have stated...it's an advertising fee...part of doing business. And to date, I'm happy with the ROI.
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