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DanG Contributor III

Joined: 25 Aug 2006 Posts: 89 Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:06 pm Post subject: Narration Rates |
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Hi everyone, I just got a booking for a 15 minute long narration and was told about or around 6000 words. I have seen old threads on this about the pay per word system at about .20 to .25 per word for 4000 to 10000 tier. which I think is great. The link below shows the studio rates he charges for post production on audiobooks. with his rates and going by the rate chart for the vo is my asking for the $900 or 1200 for the session going to be to much considering the rate the studio is giving him is only $350 for post production. Does anyone think this rate is fair because i do for what i have read on the threads. The narration is for a cd duplication company and was also thinking if he doesnt like my rate I can negotciate with him on a price and maybe hook me up with some cd dups of my demo when it gets finished. Any ideas and help on the rates will be great. The link for the studio is below. Thanks
DanG
http://www.ravenpheat.com/AudioBookPackages.html |
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Edo Guest
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:07 am Post subject: |
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I think you should stick to what YOU think is fair and what you're used to charge. Else the whole industry will think that we voice dudes and dudettes wil always be a negotiatable factor. Us being the last sub-sub-subcontractors in a project can be worth even less for our PROFESSIONAL job, I wouldn't want to be the one initiating even lower rates for VO-ing.
I am in no way telling you what to do, but here in Western Europe this has been the case for a number of years now. If they don't want to pay for a professional, it's up to them. But don't expect professional end results if you don't have professional money to spend. I just thank them for their interest and wish them success on their project, but even I have standards
Also (unless this is a satisfied customer of yours that you've worked with for a number of years) I would never discount any new clients for the same reasons. The only thing you achieve is that you have to "RAISE" your rates for the next gig (in your clients point of view) and you thought you were doing the right thing by helping your new client... There's no negotiating any fair price afterwards... With that you mess up your market value and worse... it lingers on beyond you and affects the VO-industry as a whole.
***** sounds familiar? *****
"You can 'help' me, can't you? The previous guy did it for only $ xxx "
-If you're satisfied with his work/price then why isn't he here now?
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mcm Smart Kitteh

Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 2600 Location: w. MA, USA
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:53 am Post subject: |
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You might want to confirm the length of the project - 15 minutes and 6000 words are completely at odds with each other at a wpm rate of 150. Unless it's a book about the history of bad writing in commercial advertising  |
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CWToo Guest
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:20 am Post subject: |
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You could just ask what the budget is. And look at the script before agreeing on a rate.
I just did a 52-page book at a four-figure rate. Turns out the book was about the alphabet with short little cuplets on every other page. This means, that in order for my karma to even out, there is a twelve-hundred page math book for a hundred bucks in my future. |
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mcm Smart Kitteh

Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 2600 Location: w. MA, USA
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:04 am Post subject: |
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CWToo wrote: | You could just ask what the budget is. |
This simple act may be too often overlooked. I remembered this option the other day for a client who was finishing a video for a non-profit client. I was tired of the rate struggle so I just asked, and their budget for VO was three times the number I thought it would be.
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This week I called a tree service for an estimate on taking down a large sugar maple in our yard that has been on expensive life support for years. 900 bucks to take it down, cut it up and leave the parts for firewood. About $300 to grind the stump. Hubby decides it's too much and he's going to rent a cherry picker for the day for $250 and do it his own self. No guarantee he'll get it down in the time allotted, or without dropping limbs on the house or worse, and then there will be all that wood to cut up. It will be great to save money, but the cost of saving money in this case is unpredictable. If we wanted the security of knowing the job will be done right and that we don't have to spend all day and more on the project, we would hire a professional.
However, I'm not in the business of hiring tree service professionals. If I were, I would pay them what their time is worth, so that when they pick up the phone and hear it's me they won't roll their eyes and hang up.
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DanG Contributor III

Joined: 25 Aug 2006 Posts: 89 Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks to everyone who responded I just found out that I will have to wait for some more info on monday and now the producer doesnt even know how long the script is. I am still going to stick yo my guns on my price but it seems I am getting kind of the run around. I will just have to wait and see and once again I appriciate all the help from everyone thanks to all.
DanG |
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