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Mic shootout - Which do you like?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In terms of your reasoning, I'd hafta' go with #1 and #2.

(And maybe I'm just being my usual, cynical self here, but there might be a third way to look at it, too: there are audiobook publishers who expect that the people they hire to narrate their books might not have a microphone.)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. Apart from that slight bottom end thing, they sounded pretty damned close to me. OK... everyone off to ebay with a GXL2400 search.

Without dismissing point 2), I think point 1) is a good observation.

I'll add a 3) ... (having recently discovered the CAD e100s), maybe CAD are the unsung, yet solid warriors in a sea of MXLs and clones.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting. People at zZounds.com love it, apparently.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DougVox wrote:
(there are audiobook publishers who expect that the people they hire to narrate their books might not have a microphone.)


This is not a surprise. Several publishers will send you an entire DAW if they add you to their roster. Audiobooks have just recently embraced the home narrator. Up until a year or so ago, most titles were done in the publisher's studio.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting indeed. But I think you have proven again that the order of importance is 1. Talent 2. Room and only third the mic. Your track record proves the Talent....so
If you have your chain right and the ROOM right you can get away with many sins. Having said that, I would like to hear you on some other mics too. But thanks for a thought provoking shootout.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Point 4.....

I wonder what he sounds like on a Walmart intercom? Laugh
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for helping to reinforce what I've said for years, Jeff and Leslie.
Cheap mics really have gotten this good, and the artist/room combo is more crucial than the choice of mic. High pass filter engaged on the AT3035?
It's the only mic that both Dan Lenard and I own, so that's gotta count for something. One of my new clients has that same CAD, and I was pretty impressed with the sound. Sounds like a great stunt/spare/travel mic.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

soundgun wrote:
High pass filter engaged on the AT3035?


Yes, but I can't hear any difference at all on my voice (it's a 12db reduction at 80hz). Certainly not like the low rumble on the CAD.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked both mics. I'd actually go with that CAD for the commercial stuff - I was hearing more of an open top end, but the AT had tighter lows/low mids.

CAD makes darn fine microphones. They just aren't slick marketers.

E100s
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and I've used their old tube microphone the VX2 for character work - that is an unbelievably good microphone. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep00/articles/cad.htm
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lance Blair wrote:

and I've used their old tube microphone the VX2 for character work - that is an unbelievably good microphone. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep00/articles/cad.htm


What a gorgeous looking mic!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leslie Humble wrote:
I think Doug said it well. I liked #2 a bit better because of a fuller sound.
They are pretty close though...and....if you worked #1 a little closer and got a little proximity effect it might be a dead heat. I also think the difference could be eq'd in.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have not read any of the comments yet in this thread. If I were you, I'd listen most carefully to anyone who actually produces broadcast - as opposed to "talent only" guy like myself. (Well I do a *little* production, but I don't pretend to know what the hell I'm doing...).

With that caveat, I like mic 2 "better." Mic 1 has a nice in-your-face sound that I could easily hear on radio. But mic 2 is much more natural, and as a talent, that's what I like to hear.

But then again, I can't hire myself, can I? See, I'm concerned that talent will tend to prefer the mic that our ego *thinks* puts us in the best light. For example, I'm 5'8 on a good day - not that it bothers me much, buuuut I do seem to be drawn to mics that make me sound like a big tall beefy slab of male meat. I'm not so sure that it makes the "hunka hunka burnin' love" mic the "best" type of mic for me.

Hope this helps, and I am eager to now go read the other comments.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like 2. Warmer, nice clear highs.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By now I think we should all acknowledge that mics, like good fashion accessories, fit different people differently. I've had two AT2035s that I just did NOT like at all, yet a lot of people gush all over them. Conversely the RE20 is often the whipping boy of the v/o world, and I've been told time and again how nice my voice sounds on it.

It depends on YOUR voice (and yes, your recording environment, too, of course) as to how a particular mike will sound.

The other thing that Jeff brought up that I think is so true is how good inexpensive mics are sounding nowdays. Thank goodness.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A new wrinkle.

After putting the CAD through it's paces, I plugged it in for some real work, and realized it added 10 db to my noise floor. That's a bit of a dealbreaker for me.
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