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captain54
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Jacob Ekstroem
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Go -To - Mics for Lower Baritone Male (non-bank breaking |
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| captain54 wrote: |
my premlimary picks are ... Audio Technica 2020....
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If you're considering this one, step up a notch and at least try the 2035. I read somwhere that it's really a re-issue of one of their older models, but basically it's a 2020 "deluxe edition" with all those things the 2020 don't have: locut, pad switch aswell as better signal to noise level. It seems pricier at first, but considering you get the shockmount with the 2035, which you had to pay extra for with the 2020, they're in the same range.
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kgenus
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Well, some on this forum would have you all believe that the 416 is the worst mic ever conceived for use in voice over and for those individuals, that may just be the case. It may also be that the type of work they do doesn't exactly work well with the constricted pattern of the 416. For some of us, it may be that producers we work with ask that we use it because they can clean up the room tone easier. Whatever the case, if I'm asked to use a specific tool by the person who hires me, who writes the checks and it's their project, not a problem. Properly used, you'll never have anything but great results with that mic.
As a person with a voice you described, I certainly prefer using a different mic than any you've mentioned, but the 416 does pay the bills.... so.... 416.
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Mike Sommer
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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I love these microphone Piss Fights.
"My mic's bigger than yours!!!"
So much biased unscientific opinion.
(I'll probably catch hell for this observation)
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Bill Campbell
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Well Mike, some of us are doing many VOs a week for a variety of clients
with continuous feedback. You know, the real world, cranking out work for small
and medium markets.
Who cares about science? Does it sound good is the question. Only each of us, and our clients, can make that decision.
I'm sticking to the 416 suggestion.
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Rob Ellis
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| Methinks a moderator may soon appear...... |
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Mike Sommer
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| Mike Sommer wrote: | | (I'll probably catch hell for this observation) |
See I told ya... It's so funny.
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Bruce
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OK, you asked for the obligatory Moderator Moment. A reminder of the rules here on dissing...
Also, every mic is a great mic if it makes you sound good to you and your clients.
Thank you for your cooperation!
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How I feel about my mics: I consider my 416 to be an important tool in my belt, especially when I want to sound rich and "announcery", but when I'm going for a natural sound I rely on my old GrooveTube diaphragm mic, similar in general style to the other mics mentioned here.
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captain54
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| Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| Bill Campbell wrote: | | I'm sticking to the 416 suggestion. |
Bill.
I stumbled across a post of yours on the old vosavvy.com site.. you put up a couple of samples of the Rode NTG-1...it sounded pretty good.. you said you preferred it over the Senn 416...less sibilant...are you still of that opinion? |
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Bill Campbell
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Hey Capt. I still use the Rode NTG-1 when I do location recording. For example I do Spanish dubbing work for all Hardee's/Carl's training videos.
I think the 416 sounds a bit better. The Rode has a lot of low end, kind of boxy,
but it is a bit smoother in the sibilance area.
If you're doing commercials and promos, I'd recommend the 416 over the Rode.
Bite the bullet and spend the extra money, it's worth it.
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sounddguy
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Rob Ellis wrote: | ...
Or you could get a 415, which is to my ear identical and a tad bit warmer for well under $600. |
To clarify, from the Cinema Audio Society Forum
The 415 came out before the 416. The 415 was only available for T power (different than phantom power). The 416 was available in either T power (416-T) or 48V phantom (416-PH). Also, I believe the 415 was available in nickel finish only, while the 416 could be ordered in either black or nickel finish. Lastly, had updated circuitry with slightly improved noise specs.
Other than these things, the 415 and 416 are the same. They can be used with the same mounts and screens. They can be used for the same situations and can be used interchangeably.
Glen Trew
There are some subtle differences between the 415 and 416. The updated circuitry of the 416 has tended to remove some of the warmth that the 415 has. Recording to DAT or other 16 bit medium , this difference won't be noticed , but on analog or 24 bit the difference is quite noticeable. The 415 has a "reed" quality to it when you get the voice in the sweet spot.
The "reed " quality I mentioned is similar, to my ear, to the resonance of a well -played woodwind instrument. The warmth of sound that a reeded instrument produces is what I hear in a 415. I think the only way to understand what I'm talking about is A, B ing the 415 and 416. That way you can make up your own mind.
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Billy James
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A friend of mine who's both an audio engineer and a VO artist sings the praises of the M-Audio Nova.
He's a Neumann U87 guy in the studio, but uses the Nova with the Zoom H4n as his road rig, and seems quite happy.
At around a hundred bucks street price, Nova is a decent, non-bank-breaking mic that you don't really hear much about. |
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chuckweis
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Bill Campbell wrote: |
If you're doing commercials and promos, I'd recommend the 416 over the Rode.
Bite the bullet and spend the extra money, it's worth it. |
I actually ordered and had for a few days, the Rode NTG-3 (the 416 clone.) While it is impressive and may work for some, I sent it back for a 416 (which I had tested before from a friend.) Thought I'd still try the Rode due to the few hundred $$ price diff. The Rode definitely had a more pronounced lower end on it, which for my voice, just didn't work as well as the 416. I find the Senny to give just enough boost in the mids/uppers to make my voice sound more up front and present. If you have a pretty deep tone, the Rode might be too much. |
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captain54
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| Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Billy James wrote: | A friend of mine who's both an audio engineer and a VO artist sings the praises of the M-Audio Nova.
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I actually got a hold of one of these and was very impressed....for less than $100, impressive indeed |
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