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captain54
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| JeffreyKafer wrote: | This is a most-time consuming way of editing. Talk about breaking your stride! I can't imagine doing this in an audiobook. It would ruin the flow of the story-telling. not to mention, if you're reading from a  F, you'll have to switch back to the audio application.
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I'm no quite following you here. If you edit after-the-fact, you have to double back and re-do what you've done, which is essentially trying to recapture the moment, plus give you the double work of doubling back on everything you've done. If you "edit-as you-go", you are closer to the original moment and have the mental luxury of knowing that once the last line of the last page is read, so are the edits.
As far as the re-opening the audio a if reading from a pdf, you can shrink both the adobe reader window and the audition window to both fit on the screen. |
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cyclometh
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I'm with Jeffrey, I prefer to edit later. I think it's more efficient in terms of time to avoid so many context switches when reading something, especially a really long piece.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| captain54 wrote: | | I'm not quite following you here. If you edit after-the-fact, you have to double back and re-do what you've done, which is essentially trying to recapture the moment, plus give you the double work of doubling back on everything you've done. |
Don't understand. You're still repeating the same sentence you flubbed. but you're doing it on half a second as opposed to stopping. Going into the editing program. Setting your in points and out points. And then recording the line again.
My way it's "read the line wrong", CLICKLICK "read the line correctly and keep going".
And as for doubling back to edit, you do that anyway for your quality control pass in an audiobook.
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Mike Sommer
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If you have the presents of mind to have a clicker great. Since you go through and listen to your audio it's no big deal to do your pick ups as you go.
The thing is to keep going, even if you do flub a line. Sometimes I'll just do two or three pickups in a row, especially if I'm having trouble. The magic of the edit is much easier this way.
Even if I need to come back and do a Pickup, I'll just take it from the sentence before and cut it in-- and not always for the point of the flub, this makes for smoother edits.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Mike is spot-on. I think the punch-in method (much like using Pro Tools itself) is a holdover from music recording where punching in was the only way to go.
But in long form narration, it's not the most effective way to do it. At least for me.
The dog clicker method is so effective for me that I can scan through a file and find the clicks, do an edit visually, and move on. I can do an entire 30 minute audiobook chapter in about 5 minutes. Without ever picking up headphones to listen.
Then I listen to the whole chapter while following along in the book for a quality control pass and fine edits.
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| JeffreyKafer wrote: |
You're better off getting a dog clicker and clicking twice after you make a mistake and repeat the line. Then you'll have a visual spike in editing so you know exactly where to cut. |
Great idea... never thought of a dog clicker. I have a little snappy thing that I use for the same process... just to give me a waveform indicator of where a retake needs to be redone.
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i have one of those "snappy things" too --- i call them my fingers.
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| Quote: | | You're better off getting a dog clicker and clicking twice after you make a mistake and repeat the line. Then you'll have a visual spike in editing so you know exactly where to cut. |
I use Sound Forge so I can just drop markers on the fly where I have to edit -which is what I do now. But, when I was recording an audiobook at a studio (they used ProTools) they set it up somehow so when I flubbed it took them just took seconds to replay from previous sentence at the end of which it kicked into record and I continued. No break in mood, continuity or anything. That - in that instance - was amazingly efficient. That's what I'm looking for. Just not in PT |
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| todd ellis wrote: | | i have one of those "snappy things" too --- i call them my fingers. |
I used to do that. But I could never get it loud enough and it started to hurt after a while.
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| Melissa wrote: | | when I flubbed it took them just took seconds to replay from previous sentence at the end of which it kicked into record and I continued. |
I think the key word here is "them". It's easy to do things like this when you have a dedicated engineer. If it's just you, even if you had a bunch of shortcut keys, you'd still have to put the book down, grab the mouse and hit the right keys. Then hit record, pick up the book and hope you make it in time. Still seems a lot more difficult than just plowing through it and fixing it in post.
But hey, I'm all ears if you find a way and it works better.
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Usually I will narrate all of the work "straight through" for the day and then go back to "punch in" if necessary during the editing process. At first I did not like PT but after a few punches it worked very well and it was effortless. The great thing about PT is that it saves "everything" unless you are in destructive mode recording. I am not a fan of punching in on the fly as it does disrupt the flow. I have Adobe Audition 3 I'll have to check it out.
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Mike Sommer
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You could ask the engineer how he does it.
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Where's the sport in that?
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Give Reaper a try, here's a Wiki on punch-ins. Amazingly light weight program for the incredible functionality it has, and it's cross-platform, and FREE if you are just using it for non-profit making endeavors. Pay when you get paid!
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