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Dayo
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Hi Kara
Thought I'd chime in as I have both mics, albeit a tube version of the L47. Have also used them on female v/o's. Lawson loves you!
But I do like both and the 416 certainly gives you something different. A great deal of extra body in your voice Kara for a start. It's superb for punchy short form work, but I'd use the Lawson for narration or anything over 60 secs. Partly because you'd need stellar mic technique to stay in the 416 sweet spot for a long time and partly because the tone produced by the 416 can be a bit heavy and borderline fatiguing on long form.
I hate to say this, but the 416 can be a nightmare if your voice is bright and prone to sibilance. Heard a couple of esses fly on your sample. Placement and mic technique will help (some); so will your room if it's well treated (some - thanks Mr. Sommer!) But with many female voices you simply have to conclude that there is too much upper mid going on in the 416. I hope you can make it work for you.
Having said that I often hear the most frighteningly sibilant v/o tracks on TV, radio, evrywhere - so maybe it doesn't bother so many engineers these days. I'm firmly old school in that respect; sibilance has no place in a spoken word recording, end of!
Anyway, I don't suppose any of that is helpful. Just a few random thoughts. I know you'll enjoy working with both mics.
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Bill Campbell
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:05 am Post subject: |
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The Lawson is smooth. The Sennheiser is aggressive and up front sounding.
I only do commercial and imaging so I prefer the Sennhieser.
I also preferred it on your voice.
Use the foam, pulled away from the capsule about an inch, in other words not all the on. Work the mic about 4 inches and maybe 30 degrees off axis. Don't use the screen. It's not necessary and gets in the way of the copy.
This seems to work well on the female I record daily.
Both mics are two of the very best.
And don't worry, your voice will change when you hit around 12 years old. 
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KaraEdwards
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LOL! I hear 12 is a good year...
I'm loving reading all of this- it's inspiring me to try several different things.
BTW- I do think it's beyond funny that this thread is right next to the 'Spend Less on Gear to be Happier' thread. I <heart> irony.
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Bill Campbell
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Kara - we love your unique voice!
Once I bought a 416 I quit looking for "another mic". It was clearly the best for what I do.
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CarynClark
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:41 am Post subject: |
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I have to tell you, I have mic envy.
Oh wait. I DO use the Senn 416!
You sound great on it, and it makes me think I need to do some adjusting to mine. You sound fab!!!!!
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Lance Blair
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What Mike said...but I had two problems with the AudioFire2. First, you can only play audio from one program at a time, which is limiting at least for me. For recording on the road if you're just recording VO straight no chaser, it's small and nice, but you'll need an external preamp. The other problem is that I'm not an Apple guy, so their Windows drivers are blech after XP. Even their fixes for Windows are inept.
The GAP Pre73 is rather nice, and would be an excellent complement to a 416. I still have my eye on them. It's also dirt cheap for a quality preamp (thank you, workers and engineers of the Peoples' Republic of Cheap Stuff).
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Mike Sommer
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| Lance Blair wrote: | | What Mike said...but I had two problems with the AudioFire2. First, you can only play audio from one program at a time, which is limiting at least for me. |
Then something is wrong Lance. I can have everything playing at once: a multi track session, iTunes, a quicktime vid, any program and as may programs as I want. Now I will say with a Quicktime movie or mp3, you can only hear the audio from one file at a time, this has always been a feature of Quicktime.
There are few mods that can be made to the Pre73 which will make almost an exact clone of the 1073 and give it more clean gain. If you wan the original Neve 1073 get ready to shell out $2000 or more. So $300 for nearly the same identical awesome sound is the deal of the year. Let's face it, besides the transformers, there's only a few dollars worth of part in the darn thing.
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JTVG
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Mike,
I was looking all over the web for a 737 vs Pre73 comparison and came up empty. Yours is the first reference I've seen. Really want to try that pre out, but everyone is back-ordered right now.
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Philip Banks
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"Why do promo and imaging voices like "La Stick"?" Asked Charles.
"I'll show you" I replied. I plugged it in and stood in the middle of my office and affected a radio station ...Hey I'm the voice of ....voice. I was too close and my office has the accoustics of a backyard well in a farm south of Culver City.
Charles looked puzzled. I then used some stock radio station presets, like GoldWAVE FTA (Stands for **** That's Awful), added odd noises and low and behold ....
www.thecorporatevoice.com/tess1.mp3
I did two bits. Ok? Must be, as both the person and the radio station exist and the bits will be used on air from Monday. |
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(Stands in the middle of Culver City, her hand shading her eyes, and gazes southward in search of Philip's farm. Must've meant a 'render farm,' she reckons. The only well in the vicinity is about an hour south, in Anaheim, just outside Sleeping Beauty's Castle.)
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Jowillie
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| Quote: | | ....use a little make-up gain on the Compression... |
I hate having to clean that make-up off the compressor after a female uses one of our mics.
But it is still much better than the slobber from the guys on the wind-screen. 
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Mike Sommer
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| JTVG wrote: | Mike,
I was looking all over the web for a 737 vs Pre73 comparison and came up empty. Yours is the first reference I've seen. Really want to try that pre out, but everyone is back-ordered right now. |
And you're not likely to find that side by side comparison unless you do it yourself. Note: the Pre73 has a lot of color, and I love color in my pres.
They are selling like hot cakes, I know there was a back order for them. The poop is, they will be available in the US again this month.
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Dayo
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| Mike Sommer wrote: | | JTVG wrote: | Mike,
I was looking all over the web for a 737 vs Pre73 comparison and came up empty. Yours is the first reference I've seen. Really want to try that pre out, but everyone is back-ordered right now. |
And you're not likely to find that side by side comparison unless you do it yourself. Note: the Pre73 has a lot of color, and I love color in my pres.
They are selling like hot cakes, I know there was a back order for them. The poop is, they will be available in the US again this month. |
Mike
I like a bit of Neve iron myself. Wondered what your thoughts were regarding the more colourful pres and female voices? We favour tubes here but I'm thiking that another colour might be handy sometimes. |
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Mike Sommer
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| Dayo wrote: |
Mike
I like a bit of Neve iron myself. Wondered what your thoughts were regarding the more colourful pres and female voices? We favour tubes here but I'm thiking that another colour might be handy sometimes. |
I love it.
One must remember that it wasn't all that long ago when that's all there were but "colorful preamps". Here in the States most of the broadcasting facilities used RCA, Altec/ Western Electric preamps and equipment or built their own. In the UK and Europe it was the same equipment or the wonderful Telefunken preamps and gear. --Remember you could not just rundown to the local electronic house and pick up a mixer, or a preamp, like you can these days.
With the likes of Bill Putnam (US) and Rupert Neve (Briton), things changed but were much the same, in that, it was still expensive, though at least you had an option, other than the big boys.
The flavor of these old pres can not be denied, especially of the tube and germanium transistor preamps. Around 1960 RCA replaced it Tube pres with the BA 31 all germanium preamp, and with later refinements with the BA71 and BA72, these preamps pretty much stayed in place well into the 1970's. The colors, or "imperfections" of these preamps sound nothing more than yummy to my ears. These imperfections gives music and the voice depth and interest. [The Neve 33115 sounds similar to the BA72, but sounds like, or sounds similar to, is a very subjective path to walk on. But paths worth taking.]
I fell in love with the "Disney Sound" in my youth, which of course used RCA equipment. Most of it was all tube equipment, up until the 1984, when Studio's A and B went through a complete audio overhaul.
This morning while flipping around the dial, CBS was showing the 1977 Masters Tournament. Now I could care less about golf, but the sound of it caught my attention. It was deep, wet and rich yet clean, full and dynamic. Occasionally there would be some recent VO narrative to advance the story and give oversight. The sound of this narration was dry, thin, brittle and uninteresting. It paled in comparison to the old broadcast audio. Which has been my complaint about modern broadcast audio for years: The picture gets better and the sound gets worse.
So, of course, colorful preamps sound wonderful on female voice, as does a good ribbon microphone. The problem is, most engineers don't know what to do with, or make of, such full, wonderful dynamic audio. When in fact there is very little needed to be done with it-- it's ready to go.
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