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SkinnyJohnny
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 Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:58 am Post subject: |
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I have a Gefell MT71s and you're welcome to use it. It would probably be Tuesday of next week if that will help.
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Mike Sommer
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| Hart wrote: | | Well the hiss is internal to the firebox. |
I love the ECHO FireBox 2.
| Quote: | | On the bass stuff, everywhere sounds good except by the door/6" bass trip corner. I'm hearing some resonance there. I'll take some scrap insulation and place there to see what happens. Maybe I do need to widen that panel and cut a hole for the knob .... Everywhere else sounds the same as far as I can tell. |
When covering the door just make the panel as large as you can without binding or hitting the jamb on the knob side, then just make a square notch in the panel to go around the knob. YOu'll see an example of what I'm talking about on the studio door in this fun video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWG3kZNgJeU
I | Quote: | | 'm a little leary of giving up that 2 inches on the short wall as space is getting tight but we'll see how it feels and sounds. |
Hey feel lucky you didn't have to put 4" on all the walls... 
| Quote: | | I have a roll of unfaced R34 in the garage I can put in there if you want me to try it later. I think it will just about completely fill the area. |
If you got it, use it.
| Quote: | | When I first walk in its almost like there's a ringing in my ears but it goes away in not too long. I guess that's my body getting used to the space. |
That's the sound of tiny hair follicles dying in your ear. The calmness in your booth is exposing what the sounds of daily life are covering up.
| Quote: | | Sound: My voice sounds the same everywhere except the corner of the door/bass trap. Like I said I think I need to play with that area some. There's about a 2" section of exposed drywall from floor to ceiling I forgot about too until looking at it just now. |
That should not make that big of a deal, play with it if you like, but don't knock yourself out unless you hear huge improvements when you place some scraps in there.
| Quote: | | I'm not sure how to explain this but I'll try. I can definitely tell the highs aren't bouncing around the room but it doesn't feel like my voice is muffled or anything to me while I'm in there. It's different but not uncomfortable. To me the highs and the lows in my voice sound really crisp and clean. Much more focused than before. I like how I sound in here. Can it really get better than this? I can't grasp that idea since it sounds so good now. |
Sure it can sound better. It can always sound better. It's just a matter of $ and time and the willingness to explore.
| Quote: | | A few other notes: I can hear where sound is leaking in now in well defined points. The doorknob is the big culprit. |
Look for the Baldwin knob sets, most of the rosettes on them are solid brass.
| Quote: | | But she did have a good point when she said, "when are you ever going to record when I'm fixing my hair. |
We must chose our battles carefully. In this case your wife is correct.
| Quote: | | I haven't said it in a while but Mike, thank you so much for all your help. I owe you big time and I have no idea how to repay you but I'm going to find a way to show you my appreciation somehow. |
You are welcome glad I can help.
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Hart
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:30 am Post subject: |
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John, I've got a call in to a couple buddies. If that doesn't pan out you would be da man!
Finishing lunch then working on the booth.
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Hart
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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Okay. New vocal samples. Mic has been moved forward about 10 inches.
http://www.hartvoiceovers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/HartBoothSample3.wav
It seems more strident to me but I've turned up the preamp and turned down the gain on the firebox and that may be why. I'm not sure since I can't see the levels while I'm in the booth. I really need a 2nd set of hands over here fiddling with the knobs while I'm in the booth. I'll make my wife do it when she gets home. Anyway, I did run a mic level test tone from the booth mic cable through the preamp and into the firebox and leveled everything so it should be close I think... maybe.
I think I've minimized that hiss some - at least it's not as noticeable to me but I've fiddled with so much stuff what do you guys think?
I've enlarged the door panel and made it as big as I can. That fixed the problem I was talking about in that corner. (I LOVE that video!)
I've put all my R34 in behind the bass trap. It's not totally full but it's darn close.
Rug and blanket are on the floor covering 60 to 75% of the laminate I'd guess.
In the those samples I have most of the short wall covered now in four inches of insulation. If we like it better I'll cut them to fit but I didn't want to cut the stuff needlessly until I was sure.
I haven't messed with the cloud yet. I really need another set of S hooks before I try to lower it and I'll pick them up when I go out this afternoon.
UPDATE: Now when I'm reading in there I feel like I'm struggling to be heard. does that make sense? My voice sounds much lower volume wise than I feel like it naturally should and I'm not hearing mids and/or highs like I think I should.
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Lance Blair
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Don't plug into the front of the firebox and use the gain of its preamp - plug into the line in on the back.
It's the ECHO AudioFire2/4 that's good the Presonus Firebox is not.
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Hart
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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That is going in the back, line 3 ( I meant I unchecked the +12 box in the control panel, I should have been more clear). Unfortunately I hear the hiss without anything plugged into the firebox anyway. I'm reading up on the Echo box now, thanks for the full name.
On a whim I moved it to line 4. It's still there but maybe a little better. Replacing the box seems best.
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ballenberg
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I'll make my wife do it when she gets home |
Make?
Uh-oh. I'd be listening for a very loud hair dryer running right outside the booth |
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Hart
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:12 am Post subject: |
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Tell me about it.
Okay, got busy with some production work so didn't get to work on the booth much yesterday. I'm way behind in my coursework and I need to get caught up with that but I'm going to set aside some time to fiddle with the booth today - adjust the cloud etc. I've got a web video I need to work on the vox for if they get the script to me. I'll record it in there and see how it sounds.
On the firebox - I think I've cleaned it up some. I'll post something later today and we'll see. It's a temp fix until I get a new interface.
I took some of the extra insulation and placed it 4 inches thick across the wall corners of my room as makeshift bass traps. I'm loathe to do anything "permanent" since I don't have a finalized plan for the room yet but it's really helped out. Since I haven't been able to sell my Auralex I suppose I'll use it too - maybe double or triple it up and put it in panels for a cloud over the DAW, ceiling/wall corners - something. I'll worry about that later. Between the 2 or so bundles of Insul Sheild and all this foam I should be able to get the room sounding decent.
One other note: I measured where I've placed my sitting area at the DAW and it's within 2 inches of 38% of the room length. Maybe I'm just that good, lol. No, more likely it's a hilarious coincidence. I placed the monitors and myself where I thought everything sounded best and that's where it is. I guess that science stuff really works now that I'm beginning to understand it.
Enough on the room - time to worry with finalizing the booth. More to come later.
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ballenberg
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Brian's booth is excellent. And Mike has been a rock, an incredible amount of help.
However, I want to add my opinion on something Mike noted way long ago in this thread, regarding ventilation. And I quote:
| Quote: | | Here is how you get fresh air into the booth. Open the door |
Sorry, this is not good advice. If I'm not mistaken, isn't this also the situation in Marc's very costly build ? There's air in the control room, but not in the booth, am I correct? Maybe in Brian's case, it was too far along in the process to make this change, without running up the tab, , but Brian did have an excellent plan for a baffle box and passive system, though it may have been too late in the game.
There are some people who don't mind working in an airless, small enclosed space. At least, that's what I've been told. Though I've never met any of them. A booth build good enough to keep sound out, will definitely keep fresh air out. And opening the door is a stop-gap measure at best. |
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Mike Sommer
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:32 am Post subject: |
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| ballenberg wrote: | Brian's booth is excellent. And Mike has been a rock, an incredible amount of help.
However, I want to add my opinion on something Mike noted way long ago in this thread, regarding ventilation. And I quote:
| Quote: | | Here is how you get fresh air into the booth. Open the door |
Sorry, this is not good advice. If I'm not mistaken, isn't this also the situation in Marc's very costly build ? There's air in the control room, but not in the booth, am I correct? Maybe in Brian's case, it was too far along in the process to make this change, without running up the tab, , but Brian did have an excellent plan for a baffle box and passive system, though it may have been too late in the game. |
If the booth would have been designed and planed out from the beginning, and the time and research had been invested into locating the proper equipment, it could have been implemented properly.
The idea of taping into the home's AC would not work, due to the fact the house has it's own set of needs and the booth another. Then the idea of just providing a vent system with the proposed design would have introduced more noise, with consideration of the proposed equipment/fan.
Unless one can obtain a fan that provides a high volume of air at a low speed, all of the isolation provided would have been lost. Such fans are expensive. Brian would have also needed to include a return vent, which would have need another baffled duct. And all the ducting would need to be incased in a sealed chase to keep any ambient noise from entering the duct.
This would have cost more than the booth.
Since Brian is in his booth about 20 minutes at a time, and he is directly next to the door. It would be very easy for him crack it open while he is not recording. Cost - nothing.
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There are some people who don't mind working in an airless, small enclosed space. At least, that's what I've been told. Though I've never met any of them. A booth build good enough to keep sound out, will definitely keep fresh air out. And opening the door is a stop-gap measure at best. |
True, the ideal situation would be best to have ventilation, but at what cost?
I think it needs to be understood that this is a converted closet. And thusly is a stop-gap measure in and of itself, that is, until Brian can build his dream studio. My suggestion from the beginning was to get out of the closet and make the room the booth.
Quiet ventilation is very expensive, even if you do it yourself. And if you do it yourself, there is a big chance you'll get it wrong- most do.
As for Marc's booth AC, we went round and round about what would be the best set up, and what the options were. Is it perfect? I would have to say it almost is. It is a very comfortable booth to work in, and there are stop-gap solutions for the problems, and they work very well. The real solution would be to throw more money at it.
So the question needs to be asked, would the cost equal the benefits of the simple solutions? I would have to say in both situations, no. But Brian can only come to his conclusion.
I guess it's all how you look at things-
Some say the glass is half full, or that it is half empty. I say the glass is too big.
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ballenberg
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| That's a very good answer, and it's true--You can go on and on with a build like this and it is always a question of money spent vs. value added. Sounds like the best solution was reached. |
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Hart
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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Bill you bring up some good points and so does Mike. Is it possible you are both right? I think so.
For what it's worth I'm happy in there. It's not hot or stuffy. As I told Mike I spent 40 minutes in there studying yesterday when I lost track of the time. Anyway it didn't get hot or make me feel like I was going to pass out or anything. It's very nice actually. Would some ventilation be nice to have? Sure. Can I afford it? Nope. Would a vintage Neumann be nice to have? You bet. Can I afford it? Nope.
I've rehung the cloud on a slope and it sounds good. Really good. Playing with it now and I'll post some samples in a bit.
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Mike Sommer
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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I'm assuming you made the change I told about today on the phone???
All the new samples sound good~
1) Milk Beer sounds nice.
2) There are noted differences: Position 1 seems to be missing the mid range punch 2 and 3 have.
3) Well... Stick with the 416, Sell the RE20 and get yourself a Studio Projects C1 or B1.
As for the old sound of the booth.... Come on!!! Who here can not hear the difference?!!!
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Hart
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:15 am Post subject: |
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A. Yep, made the change. Much better.
Yeah, it seems to be better facing the short wall.
Sell the RE20. Sounds like a plan. I miss having an LDC around.
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