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Hiss - what the heck is causing this? (sound file link)
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Tom Test
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmm. I recently started storing a netbook in my booth, which does have wireless (though it is turned off). I'll take out my cell phone, cordless phone, and anything else I can think of and see what happens!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Took out of my booth: netbook, wireless mouse; out of my room: cell phone, cordless landline phone. Result - the hiss / sizzle is still there. Angry
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheVoiceOfBob wrote:
Did you ground that shielding?


Bob, do you mean the aluminum foil I wrapped the power cord in? If so, no - how would I do that?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lance, I hooked my daughter's PC up to my network about a month ago. My 2 PCs in my office are hard-wired via ethernet to my Belkin router, but now I have a wireless connection to my daughter's PC in the next bedroom. Might that be it - even it her computer is turned off?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My best guess is that it's an RF problem. This new mic I'm using is particularly susceptible to it. My Rode NTK seems to be almost immune to it, to the point where I can produce good-quality audio, so I've stopped panicking.

I've purchased this: Shure A15RF RF Filter
http://www.fullcompass.com/product/260981.html

I'll report back with the results. Thanks to everyone who chimed in - I greatly appreciate your help!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have one of those mag shield rings that go over ac cords, you might try that.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom Test wrote:
TheVoiceOfBob wrote:
Did you ground that shielding?


Bob, do you mean the aluminum foil I wrapped the power cord in? If so, no - how would I do that?


I was thinking you shielded the signal cables. Either way, you can ground it to one of the chassis that is in your chain. It may not make enough of a difference, but give it a shot.

Do you have a battery backup on that power line that includes a line conditioner? The RF could be riding on the AC signal.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In case I was not clear, this problem is only happening with one mic - all the others I've ever used have not had this problem.

Update: I purchased a Shure RF filter that helped a bit, but not enough. I removed a power strip from my booth, but there still is a power cord for my Rode NTK power supply that goes in my booth next to my mic and headphone cables (though it is wrapped in aluminum foil). Then I removed all wireless equipment from the booth - problem persists.

Then I found that, much to my surprise, the noise disappears when I connect this mic to my SoundCraft 4 mixer! It's there when this mic is connected to both my other preamps (Speck 5.0 and ART MPA Gold), but why it isn't there with my mixer, I do not know!

My mic modder has offered to replace the screen with something more RF-resistant, but warns it may make the sound a little "gauzy." That's probably the route I'll go, since I've exhausted pretty much all other options.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe a polarity issue from what you just described. If your power strips have a reverse polarity switch, that might work.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a point of general reference: Often when a mic is not connected to a
preamp, there is a hiss; no load. Even a 20dB in-line pad, is considered a
load and will often be enough to eliminated hiss.

Since this mic is the only mic that is generating hiss, then it would be safe
to say there is a problem with the mic. It could be as simple as a lose wire
or even a screw to the housing. The Housing and screen is more than a
fancy protective cover for the mic, it also blocks RF from the capsuel, and
if all the screws and contact points are not firm, trouble will arise.


It could also be wiring in the walls, ceiling or floor. There have been many
instances where such a thing has caused problems in studios. Check your
ground to earth at the box or where ever it is at. If it has been dry, soak
the ground around it. Also try cutting the power to everything in the
house except the studio and see that eliminates the problem. If it does
turn on the breakers until it comes back; then you know where the problem
lies.

If the problem is still there even after shutting down the house, try
powering from another location and shut down the booths power and see if
that helps.

It's basically a process of elimination, until you find the source of the
problem.

But I'm sure the problem is nothing more than a grounding problem in the mic.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Eddie, Bob and Mike and everyone else who offered suggestions. I am deeply thankful. I'll try out your ideas. Also, I'm going to work with George Whittman soon, and I'm sure he can help me through it too. In the meantime, I am able to get my work out using different mics, so it's not a crisis.

Again, thank you!!!
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