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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both. I have a 2nd generation Mac Mini (Intel) and a white MacBook. Have used both machines with the Duet with no issues, including an on-location session with the MacBook.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:30 pm    Post subject: re: Reply with quote

I just wonder if there are issues with the G5...
Will keep researching...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:56 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

I should mention that, along with the Mbox, I've been using an RME AD-2 and Grace 101. So, would it possible to connect the RME AD-2 directly to my G5 (via optical ins/outs), hook up the Grace 101...and then use 3rd party audio software, i.e. Logic Express?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I am surprised how few people actually do this. If you have optical inputs and an external A/D converter, buying another interface like the Duet is a waste of money. Now, you'll need to monitor input of your computer with the built in headphone jack, unless you have a headphone amp or mixer connected to the Grace. That will work with ANY software on the Mac but Pro Tools.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:42 am    Post subject: re: Reply with quote

OK, I've got the AD-2 connected to the G5's digital ins/outs via TOSLINK cables. Getting general audio just fine and it sounds great! Better than having it go through the Mbox. As a general output device the only setting on the AD-2 that synchs is when input is set to OPTICAL (with no clock selection). Before, when I synched with the Mbox using Pro Tools, I chose external clock via SPDIF and set the AD-2 COAXIAL input at 44.1.

How can I tell if I'm getting correct conversion now? I downloaded a demo of Amadeus Pro and was able to record a few lines though the OPTICAL settings were the only ones that synched. Make any sense? I'll email RME to inquire as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:23 am    Post subject: re; Reply with quote

OK, I opened Audio Midi set-up and chose External Clock at 44.0 kHz. Now, I can get the AD-2 to synch at 44.0 kHz with Input at OPT. Still not sure if this is right or not...waiting to hear from RME support.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, you are rockin. If the wordclock was set wrong, you'd hear clicks and pops, or nothing at all. Sounds good, huh?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:01 pm    Post subject: re: Reply with quote

Yeah, sounds great.

So, then it's OK for me to monitor and clock from the AD-2, even when using the Mbox? Currently, I have my active monitors connected to the rear analog outs of the AD-2 via TRS cables. Seems to be a gain bump. Should I use the XLR jacks instead?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:08 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Reply with quote

The XLR and TRS jacks should pass identical signals, just different flavor of connectors.
Yes, it is absolutely OK to do what you are describing. The Mbox becomes a glorified "dongle" to allow you to run Pro Tools, and serves no other purpose. Most hardcore PT LE users work this way because they want to avoid the A/D converters and preamps in the Mbox.
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:54 pm    Post subject: re: Reply with quote

Looks like I'm good to go. Thanks!
Though I'm still trying to find a good alternative audio editor.

WaveTwist looks good but doesn't have wave repair/re-draw features.
I'm liking Amadeus Pro so far...super wave repair features.
Reaper crashes when I try to launch it
Can't find a trial version of Logic Express.
Can't find a standalone version of AudioDesk.
Am I missing anything?
Am happy to pay out for something decent...
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twisted Wave has a feature called "Auto extend selection to Zero crossing", which is selected by default. This allows you to edit out a click or pop, and it will make sure that when the two segments are rejoined, they meet at the zero point of the waveform, giving you perfect edits every time. It saves a LOT of time verses redrawing a waveform, and sounds seamless. Since it works at the sample level, the change it might make in timing will be a millisecond or less, in most cases, completely imperceptible.
If it is good enough for Beau Weaver, it is for me.
Also check out Soundbooth by Adobe, which adds basic multitrack mixing featuresm and has amazing noise and click removal tools, plus you can remove audio by frequency range, "Spectral editing".
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 7:13 pm    Post subject: re: Reply with quote

Ok, I'll give Twisted Wave another shot. Really like the look and lightness of it. Soundbooth requires an Intel processor it seems and I'm running a Hobo ToungeC G5.
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, very lightweight, runs flawlessly even on an iBook G4 with 256MB RAM (just installed it Thursday on a client's old Mac).
Amadeus Pro is pretty darn cool, as well. I find myself bouncing back and forth between the two a lot. Soundbooth, being an Adobe product, is NOT lightweight and needs a modern machine.
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