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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:19 am    Post subject: NAVA Voiceover Survey Results Reply with quote

If you haven't looked at this yet ... it's pretty interesting in a lot of ways.

https://navavoices.org/voiceover-survey-2024
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Super interesting, thanks Todd. What are some of the ways you found it interesting? One thing that stood out to me was expenses. I know there are expensive and inexpensive ways to operate a voiceover business, but... less than $50/mo spent on services in a world where we rent our lives away? (How many things do you subscribe to vs. purchased outright?) C'mon now...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found the results to the SAG/AFTRA Global Rule 1 to be intriguing.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2024 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the question is fundamentally flawed. It presumes specific knowledge which most people never thought about, so don't have a complete picture of.

It says:
Quote:
"If you are a full member of SAG-AFTRA, have you ever done non-union work where the work was covered by a SAG-AFTRA contract (eg, work off the card, break Global Rule #1, etc)."


And that's followed by:
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"GLOBAL RULE ONE STATES
No member shall render any services or make an agreement to perform services for any employer who has not executed a basic minimum agreement with the union, which is in full force and effect, in any jurisdiction in which there is a SAG-AFTRA national collective bargaining agreement in place. This provision applies worldwide. "


The thing is, most people assume that any job that isn't union is non-union and therefore they'd be working off the card - breaking GR1.

But that's not true.

There's work covered under a national collective bargaining agreement (CBA) referenced above as quoted in the survey. That work can only be done under the CBA that's applicable. It can't be done outside of a union contract.

However, if you read the rest of GR1 on the SAG-AFTRA website you'll find further along it also says: "It does not, however, automatically apply in jurisdictions where there is no SAG-AFTRA national collective bargaining agreement in place, unless there is an active organizing effort underway."

That refers to work that isn't covered by a national CBA. This work isn't union, but it's not non-union either. It's really NO-union. It doesn't fall under the jurisdiction of any national CBA. This non covered work CAN be done without a union contract, because there is no national contract to cover it. In some cases, you can also have the union create a specific contract for this.

What is some of this work?
Much basic cable promo - such as Discovery, History channels etc etc.
Much basic cable non-dramatic narration - (reality shows, docs etc)
Radio imaging
There are other areas as well.

Some types of work - for instance broadcast - both radio and tv - are covered through individual contracts with stations. These are not under a national CBA. This is why you can hear the same people on both union and non-union stations. For some affiliate promo work and imaging you can have the union create a contract just for you, without obligating the station to "go union" with rates you and the station negotiate.

This is just one example. There are others. My point is I doubt the majority of people answering this question understand the distinction between non-union and non-covered (no-union) work and they assume anything that's not under a union contract is in violation of GR1.

I consult on converting non-union work to union work - which can be done is limited areas - and on non-jurisdictional work. Most people who are considering going fi-core when they join the union believe they have to in order to keep their current work from before they joined. When I ask them what type of work it is, in the majority of situations it turns out to be corporate work - which can be converted - or it's work like basic cable promo or affiliate or other areas. Work they can continue to do without going fi-core.

They just don't know that the work they assumed was in violation, actually isn't, or can be converted.

That's why I think the way the question is posed is flawed. Most people will read the wrong meaning into it.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most people will read the wrong meaning into it.


Well ... I did.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2024 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point exactly
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

melissa eX wrote:
My point exactly


YOU get the vo award for brilliance, my friend!!! Great explanation!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She's pretty schmatt.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awwwwww Thanks you two
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

melissa eX wrote:
My point is I doubt the majority of people answering this question understand the distinction between non-union and non-covered (no-union) work


Well, I knew.......... but ONLY because I've been reading your posts for years!!! Kiss Kiss
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