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Moe Egan
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lack of a Marty Tada Cry was made up with the BUMMMFITCHH Smile

And...a clarifying question- the goal of VO Workshop weekends *isn't* to have the largest bar tab? Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moe Egan wrote:
the goal of VO Workshop weekends *isn't* to have the largest bar tab? Shocked


Damn. I've been doing it wrong this whole time. :(
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know, right!? Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course you have it wrong. The goal is to contribute to someone else's largest bar tab.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Embrace THIS and it will change your life for the better! Seriously.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Don't be tyrannical in your positivity."

Marty needs to make merch. I would totally buy a t-shirt with that saying on it (or at least a sticker for my laptop). Money Mouth Money Mouth
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find the worst "tyrannical positivity" offenders also do CrossFit. They are the ones who actually believe you can walk to the moon if you try hard enough and have the right attitude.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bish, I believe these are the same people who count the Peloton Coaches as real friends.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...or Facebook "friends."

W00t...Awesome d00d!!! cool
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where would we be without the dreamers who were extremely positive in their ideas and abilities and achieved great things? But yes, there’s a time to realize when the positivity needs corrective lenses.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very "business" educational, probably.

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Bish
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not a "probably"
That's a "definitely"

You see it so often...
"My elearning rate is around thirty cents per word... they offered me five cents per word. I feel insulted by this derisory offer. I have written to them in an attempt to educate them as to why this is so far below "market rates."

Sorry, Sunshine... they offer it because someone will take it, therefor, it is the "market rate" to them and to anyone who accepts it - Q.E.D.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm no mathematician, but I believe receiving $450 beats not getting $500 because of your principles, and getting $450 three times, because you're happy to work with the client and you give them good service, also beats not getting $500 one time.

And to think I failed calculus. Pah.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only have three rates:

1) Thank you.
2) Let's talk.
3) Sorry.

I think people have the biggest problem with number three. Some offers are simply not worth using as a starting point. If someone is offering 10~15% of your usual fee, then they're never going to get up beyond the 75% (or whatever your threshold happens to be that day). People butt their head against the principle that the work is "getting away" or that they're "losing a job" (it was never theirs to lose) and they have to blame someone else... and an uneducated or ignorant client is the perfect villain. They're uncomfortable with it being their own business decision.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"BALANCE" Deep breath and ....

The secret to being a happy, healthy voiceover

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