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Philip Banks
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:18 am    Post subject: Seriously, get an education and then a job! Reply with quote

Now more than ever there is a case for getting a worthwhile, credible qualification which will lead to a professional career.

"But I love being a Voice Actor!"

No you don't! You love the idea of being what you THINK a Voice Actor does.

It's a public holiday here in the UK. My first session was a TV promo for CNBC International at 0715 BST. I know I am very lucky but I did not sign up for between 6 and 7am starts and regular 8pm finishes. I DID sign up for 11am starts and 4pm finishes, each commercial paying $15,000, every TV promo paying me $1,500 (including tags) and a couple of corporates at $750. Still waiting. The early starts and late finishes feed me and Bess the Border Collie.

I can't help how I sound, it really isn't my fault; but that sound, my ability to listen to what I am being told and simply being available and polite pays my bills. Business acumen is where it's at, not paying for abstract and often banal voice acting concepts.

Voice Over - Technical term ONLY. A Presenter for a TV show does a piece to camera.

"The desert. Big isn't it?"

Cut to Aerial view with the presenter continuing his commentary out of vision but in voice over. If the Presenter, Jay Leno, is being himself, he is not Acting, so not a Voice Actor.

"Philip is telling us we should not pay for Voice Coaching!"

No I'm not. If a person feels they can take the financial hit they should do it but be strong enough to be pushed by the Coach and above all know how to push back. The latter because there are so many unproven concepts out there that they need to be questioned and Coaches need more real world, evidence supported answers as opposed to trite responses only worthy of a Bubble Gum card or the contents of a Fortune Cookie.

None of the above is negative or intended to be. Because of the Social Media hyperbole about doing voice work we, all of us, in some way or another have, like the worst kind of TV Evangelist, lured the innocent into the world of tithing with the promise " Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it."

No one suspected that their tithes would buy a Private Jet for the Preacher yet leave them with a credit card debt that would make Greece weep!

Wanna be a "Voice Actor"? Ok! Do what you love on weekends and in the evenings after work.

Work? Yes! Train/Qualify for a proper job, it's the future.

A few years ago a very dear friend said the following .

"Y'know Philip, making a living doing voice over work is the least interesting thing about you!"

Long may that remain the case.
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todd ellis
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know that i am an anomaly in many ways. i stumbled blindly into a full-time voiceover gig. i haven't had any formal coaching - although i have had some directed sessions that i think have made me better in general. i rarely ever "act" - sometimes i affect my voice in one way or another, but i wouldn't call it "acting".

i have one microphone & a spare in the closet. i fear all the time that i am a fraud, and one day folks will figure it out and stop hiring me.

i almost always refuse to use upper case type and sometimes punctuation

i don't have a certificate of ... well ... anything or a list of accolades from coaches and/or my betters. i consider myself a "wannabe gentleman farmer" who talks out loud to pay the bills. if i could do that by wistfully watching a field of timothy or the sun setting on a flock of wild turkey, i would ... but i can't ... because i've become fond of the finer things in life, like a roof, some food to eat and a whisky every now and then.
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Bish
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Y'know what there are too many of in voiceovers today? Egos. Social medial has served us the biggest delusional con of all time. It's convinced everyone that they are important... an influencer... an aspirational character... a thought leader. Sigh.

Nearly every week, someone whom I've always just accepted as a working VO (because that's how they present themselves) announces that they're running a class or webinar on, "How to get into the business of VO" - now whether or not there is a financial reward or just a big ego massage is academic... the sole purpose seems to be to boost their account (bank or ego) by "helping" people get in to an over-saturated business. The question is (obviously) "Why would you do that?" If someone really wants to do it, they will investigate, do their own research, discover what they need to do, and take some tentative steps.

I'm getting tired of the, "I just want to pay it forward and help people achieve their dream!" - because it's all self-serving BS that actually harms and devalues the business.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"I just want to pay it forward and help people achieve their dream!"


very true of the vast majority. but there are exceptions - our own bob bergen, for example. yes, charges for coaching, but gives a LOT of valuable knowledge away for free.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Todd... I absolutely agree that there are genuine exceptions! But most of the people I'm talking about are simply offering, "How I Got Started - I Did It... You Can Too!" - and have nothing to offer beyond that... notably not how they grew and maintained a career over a decade or more! Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no argument there.
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Mandy Nelson
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

todd ellis wrote:
i fear all the time that i am a fraud, and one day folks will figure it out and stop hiring me.



I feel this to my core. Days I nail it, days I cry because I shouldn't be doing this as I'm a fraud. (your scripts don't help, Todd, hahaha) But I keep doing it. And I work at it so that I can sound, and feel, like I know what I'm doing. Doesn't always stop the tears though!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mandy nelson is a pro.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mandy Nelson IS a pro. And so are you, Todd Ellis.

It's okay to be in The Abyss sometimes, Mandy & Todd. We all go there. But please don't stay. It's damp there and room service never comes.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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your scripts don't help, Todd, hahaha


Mandy owes me a keyboard.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey - if you can't stand the Dimethylamidophenyldimethylpyrazolone get out of the kitchen!
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