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Donna
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 1:15 pm    Post subject: phone patch? Reply with quote

This has probably been discussed before, but the excess pollen in my head has fried my internal search circuits (not to mention my command of language).

Can you use a phone patch thingy (like a Comrex TCB1A) with a M-Audio FastTrack Pro thingy?

I'm still putting my first studio together, can you tell? It's very simple, as am I, and so far it goes like this:

Mic -- M-Audio --- computer. But I have no elegant way for producer to give direction or monitor a session. I don't really want to go with a phone headset at this point, but I'm open to all suggestions!
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Eddie Eagle
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Donna,
There should be an output on the MAudio and you run a cord from it to the mic or aux input on the patch. The patch may have headset jack or you can monitor through the maudio. Your phone handset line would plug into the patch also.

Best on your setup
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Mike Sommer
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eddie is correct on this one, though pulling from the headphone of M-Audio could have an impedance problem, but then maybe not.

What should be happening is that you should incorporate a good mixer in the chain ( like a Soundcraft mixer the Spirit M Series is a good start
http://www.soundcraft.com/product_sheet.asp?product_id=24) this way you can take what ever audio you have and direct it to where ever you want it to go, and have control over it.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, guys. I guess I could try it with just the m-audio, but it does seem like a mixer will make life just a little easier. There's a Yahama MX 12/4 sitting in the basement with nothing to do right now, so I'll mess with that and see how it goes!
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And welcome to the board, Mike!
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another thing the mixer gives you is the ability to not have the phone patch as your chain for all your audio.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watch out for those Yamaha's they will give you ear fatigue and ringing ear drums, and there Pre's aren't to great either, but it's a good start for now.

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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donna,

I agree that a mixer would give you more flexibility. I use a Mackie 1202-VLZ with a JK Audio Phone Patch and I am able to take direction while recording my voice clean on one track and the entire phone conversation on another track via the Alt 3/4 bus on the VLZ. This way I can reference the direction if I need to make any corrections in the recording. Also, I send my mic signal to the Phone Patch via the VLZ Aux 1 output so the client can hear what I am recording. It has worked pretty good for me so far.

Jon
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon, I really like the idea of recording the phone conversation--anything so I don't have to rely on my increasingly unreliable memory! Thank you for explaining it in a way I can actually understand.

Mike, could you elaborate on the ear fatigue from the Yamaha mixer, please? Does it add any mud to the signal?


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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donna,
You probably already figured it out, but if not, you can record the phone conversation by running a cable from the patch's Aux out to a channel input in the M Audio. That way you have you and your other party on the recording.
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Donna wrote:
Could you elaborate on the ear fatigue from the Yamaha mixer, please? Does it add any mud to the signal?
Since the 80's when Yamaha changed their mixer preamps, there have always been complaints about the high end. They are well built boards but they have a shrilly high end dynamic that just wears you out. If I use headphones for more then 15 minutes my ears ring and so do a lot of other people I know, even with monitors it attacks you.
There is no mud just overly bright for my tastes.

I love Soundcraft with their 100mm faders and awesome "British EQ's" they are warm and musical mixers; which is something a lot of folks forget about when looking for equipment for voice over, you want "Musical" equipment. Soundcraft is one on the few great mixer companies that offer consumer level product, if Neve made a consumer model I'd be there in a heartbeat. Most everything you get at the big box music centers is kiddy stuff.

Rant,
Since the advent of the CD and we've been cheated, we don't get all the dynamics we pay for. Since mp3's have invaded our lives it's gotten worse, we stick plugs in our ears and listen to low grade music reproduction. We've been slowly brainwashed that somehow for the sake of convenience that this somehow sounds good. BULLOCKS! We're all tone deaf now.
Nothing beats high quality equipment and high quality production standards.
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