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TheVoiceOfBob 14th Avenue

Joined: 05 Oct 2006 Posts: 1411 Location: Pittsburgher in the Carolinas
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:22 am Post subject: Client confused on my rates |
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I have a client that seems confused over a rate I quoted them. I'm looking for some feedback as to the best way to answer this question, since I don't think it's all that confusing.
For radio commercials and promo spots, I set a rate at "X" per finished minute, with a minimum amount at "Y". My minimum amount is approximately equal to 4 times my "X" rate, but not exactly. The customer is confused as to why my minimum isn't an exact multiple of my "X" rate.
Is that really so confusing? If I charge $40.00 per finished minute, with a minimum of $150.00, and the client says "why isn't your minimum $120.00 or $160.00?" Obviously set up and finishing is there no matter how short or long it is, so I didn't see how picking that "in between" number would be so confusing. How would you answer this question? _________________ Try to imagine a world where there is no such thing as hypothetical situations.
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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 13023 Location: Camp Cooper
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:53 am Post subject: |
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Well, considering you've chosen to have your work measured in "finished minutes" it is logical to imagine your minimum would be a multiple of that increment.
"$40 per finished minute with a 4-minute minimum" might be a less confusing way to state it.
The $150 doesn't parse out with your per-finished minute fee. The client sees this as paying an extra $30 for 3 finished minutes, but 4 minutes is what it is.
See what I mean? People want the math to be tidy. _________________ DBCooperVO.com
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asnively Triple G

Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 3204 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Radio spots aren't commonly billed "per finished minute", so that might be the first confusion.
And when you do bill by the minute, the minimum is customarily a multiple of that rate; a minimum number of whole minutes.
If you do things sufficiently different than what is customary, you run the risk of confusing clients!
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TheVoiceOfBob 14th Avenue

Joined: 05 Oct 2006 Posts: 1411 Location: Pittsburgher in the Carolinas
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:38 am Post subject: |
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That "per minute" pricing was actually a recommendation from Voices.com. It sounds like it was a bad choice.
Thank you for all your input. _________________ Try to imagine a world where there is no such thing as hypothetical situations.
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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus

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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:27 am Post subject: |
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I made the mistake to ass-u-me it was a long-form quote.
"per minute" is certainly not the way to quote out commercials. _________________ DBCooperVO.com
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Philip Banks Je Ne Sais Quoi

Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 11076 Location: Portgordon, Scotland
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:44 am Post subject: |
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TheVoiceOfBob wrote: | That "per minute" pricing was actually a recommendation from Voices.com. It sounds like it was a bad choice.
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Aren't Voices.com supposed to know what they're doing? Not good advice. |
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SoundsGreat-Elaine Singer King's Row

Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 1055 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: |
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According to my understanding voices.com recommends a standard rate for commercials. The per minute/hour/word rates that they recommend are for longer form narrations. _________________ Elaine
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Dan-O The Gates of Troy

Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 1638
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Here is the Voices.com Rate Sheet. I do not see a per finished minute rate quote anywhere on it.
Chalk this one up to experience, Bob.  |
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TheVoiceOfBob 14th Avenue

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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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This was a "personal" recommendation from them for a reply template. They came across as if this was a "catch all" type of rate for auditions. I may have misunderstood though, so I wouldn't put it all on them.
I'm learning from all of you now. _________________ Try to imagine a world where there is no such thing as hypothetical situations.
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asnively Triple G

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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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That's just an example of the kind of information you should include in your reply. They would never recommend pricing a spot like that. It's not done. Don't worry. You'll catch on!
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donrandall Guest
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Who cares what some virtual casting service thinks you should charge or how you should compute your billing? They are in business to take your money away from you - and if you should happen to pick up a buck or two along the way is of little concern to them.
The only thing you need to do is determine your value in the market. What are you willing to accept for your work and what is someone willing to pay for your work product? If the two numbers match up, well, ladies and gentlemen - we have a winner.
Everything else is a steaming pile of bovine nutritional exhaust. |
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Dave Lucky 700

Joined: 11 Nov 2004 Posts: 727 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:22 am Post subject: |
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donrandall wrote: | Who cares what some virtual casting service thinks you should charge or how you should compute your billing? They are in business to take your money away from you - and if you should happen to pick up a buck or two along the way is of little concern to them.
The only thing you need to do is determine your value in the market. What are you willing to accept for your work and what is someone willing to pay for your work product? If the two numbers match up, well, ladies and gentlemen - we have a winner.
Everything else is a steaming pile of bovine nutritional exhaust. |
You said it Don...and you said it quite well!
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