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Mike Harrison M&M
Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 2029 Location: Equidistant from New York City and Philadelphia, along the NJ Shore
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:11 am Post subject: OT (somewhat): Highly compressed audio |
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Anyone else find listening to highly (dynamically) compressed audio difficult, even annoying to listen to? It never bothered me listening to Top 40 radio during the 60s and 70s (the audio level of many stations rarely budged from hovering around 100% no matter what was playing). But, today, the lack of dynamic rage, even in voice-only, becomes tiresome to continue listening to after only about a minute or so. Anyone else experiencing this? _________________ Mike
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Bish 3.5 kHz
Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Posts: 3738 Location: Lost in the cultural wasteland of Long Island
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Always. It's a major factor when mastering an audiobook... too compressed and it's painful. A well-produced book will have enough dynamic range to not cause listener fatigue over the hours people are expected to listen. For shorter stuff, I don't think anyone cares because they don't think people are in it for the long haul. I only occasionally listen to the radio (in the car) so can't really comment on radio... I find it massively tiresome anyway... that may have nothing to do with an over-compressed signal though _________________ Bish a.k.a. Bish
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Mike Harrison M&M
Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 2029 Location: Equidistant from New York City and Philadelphia, along the NJ Shore
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Exactly: long-form material! When voicing and/or producing eLearning, I'll raise the average level a bit if the level falls too low, but not so that the peak is being hit almost continually. _________________ Mike
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sounddguy Contributor IV
Joined: 22 Jan 2009 Posts: 100 Location: Atlanta, GA USA
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:15 am Post subject: |
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Not only that but for broadcast/commercials running the music or background so loud you really can't hear the voice well. I was watching a recent soccer match and had to go to the radio for commentary I could hear. |
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Mike Harrison M&M
Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 2029 Location: Equidistant from New York City and Philadelphia, along the NJ Shore
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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I do know, from my days as radio Production Director, when those inexperienced with mixing (the on-air people) were asked to do spots, they would almost always mix with the monitor speakers very loud. That will result in the background music fighting the VO because, at that unnatural listening volume, they're not able to effectively judge. (Mixing music with VO should be done with the speaker volume set so that speech is no louder than if a person was speaking live [what a concept]). _________________ Mike
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dwpthe3rd Contributore Level V
Joined: 28 Feb 2010 Posts: 198 Location: Where palm trees meet pines
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Mike Harrison wrote: | (Mixing music with VO should be done with the speaker volume set so that speech is no louder than if a person was speaking live [what a concept]). |
Spent many many years as a radio Production Director as well. Congrats for transcending that! And agree about mixing at low volume. My fine tuning"method" that worked for proper bed level against the VO was to first mix at normal DJ listening level, then really turn down overall volume until almost unintelligible; if the voice with the message was still discernible then chances were it was good to go. I'd at times EQ a notch in the bed and then bump the voice a db or two in that region to add clarity. Ahh the good 'ol days. Rock On! _________________ If attacked by a mob of clowns go for the juggler.
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Bruce Boardmeister
Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 7930 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:38 am Post subject: |
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When I ran production I’d remind folks that some listeners had wire coat hangers for antennas and cheap speakers so we always listened to spots on crappy little speakers to be sure the mix was good before putting things on air.
I’ve come to really dislike works these days where the music/SFX drown out the voice. It makes me think they’re listening to the final mix with their heads up their
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