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todd ellis
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 4:04 pm    Post subject: California AB5 Law Reply with quote

anybody see any worry that i don't about this new AB5 law in CA?

it extends employee classification status to gig workers - supposed to make the A,B,C test more rigorous ... maybe? it looks to me like the same thing MA did several years ago - and i still work with MA folks all the time.

some CA vo-folk i hire on occasion have brought it up as a concern.

i don't really think it is.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not really. I operate via an S-Corp, which means this law doesn't touch me in any significant way. For those who choose to remain sole proprietors, or who use an LLC, it may be another issue altogether.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is very concerning for small video production companies and independent producers...dancers, small theaters, musicians who play at senior communities and much much more...

https://www.kusi.com/impact-of-gig-worker-bill-ab-5-on-translators-and-interpreters
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so, connie ... say i hire you to do a VO job at an agreed upon rate.

your equipment
your timeframe

are you an employee or a contractor?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my mind I am an independent contractor and I will continue to sell myself that way. You will not have to pay disability insurance or unemployment, nor contribute to my Health Insurance or pension.

I am a little concerned about my free lance writing for an educational grant based group that hires me to write scripts.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Opinions on various VO boards seem (as ever) split as to whether this will be an issue for voice actors and producers in California, or hired by those in California.

Here's the bill. I'm planning to read through it this week.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB5
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kim Fuller wrote:
Opinions on various VO boards seem (as ever) split as to whether this will be an issue for voice actors and producers in California, or hired by those in California.


That's what I'm wondering. Because I don't see any way the state can compel non-CA businesses to comply with this. And for those of us in CA it seems that as long as you have a business license and have a normal v-o business operation, we should be fine.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Opinions on various VO boards


Wait - there are OTHER VO boards!?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BruceG wrote:
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Wait - there are OTHER VO boards!?


Laugh Someone had to say it....
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm so glad someone did.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course AB56 5RU is a far more thingy thing!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

todd ellis wrote:
say i hire you to do a VO job at an agreed upon rate...
are you an employee or a contractor?


It depends on that person's tax status. For me, as an employee of my S-corp, I am "loaned out" by my company for service. My corp is responsible for all payroll taxes etc. You are not.

Whether this holds true regarding other statuses, I can't say, but even for non-S-corp persons, the law does appear to allow for a number of jobs before you are recognized as an employer.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks to me like, yet another, reason to flee california.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

todd ellis wrote:
looks to me like, yet another, reason to flee california.


It does appear that our legislators are working hard to export as many working people as possible.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

not to get too political, which is a no-no ... illinois is not much better (small-business-wise) and i have a 5-year plan to reverse-beverly hillbilly it, pile into the conestoga f-150 and head south to tennessee.
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