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Drew
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Story of my life. The day's just never complete without someone telling me to "stuff it."
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deirdre wrote:
They directed you to stuff it.

And if anyone knows how to stuff it, professionally, it's Drew. (I mean that in the nicest possible way!) Laugh
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deirdre wrote:
Yep.

They directed you to stuff it.

Devil Devil Devil Devil


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting direction from several people can be challenging.

Getting line reads is interesting. Of course, I'll do it the way it was uttered and then follow that with at least two other variations and let them decide which they like.

Getting too much copy - to echo several others.

Getting the "conversational read" direction with copy written for a white paper with bullet charts - and not being able to change one word of the script.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my greatest joys in life was when a client insisted that a word be pronounced a certain way, even though the prounciation was incorrect.

Since the illiterate client was paying.....
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a client the other day, who had me read the whole script before he gave direction. Then gave me one piece of direction at a time, having me read the script each time until he got the performance he wanted.
When we finished, "Wow" he said, "You're quick on the uptake"
We would have been even quicker if he had told me everything he wanted at the outset - trusting my skills instead of deciding he was going to throw me tidbits. at a time.

So for me, if we're telling directors how to be directors, mutual respect for our abilities would be much appreciated. I would have appreciated his more, if he had appreciated mine in the first place by being clear on what he wanted.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My pet peeves include:

Too much direction ... such as three minutes of explanation on how to read a one minute spot. Presuming you've hired a professional, and you liked how they sounded on their audition or demo, tell them what direction you want them to go in and let them sail the boat. If they miss the mark, give them a course correction and let them do it again. Over direction can kill any chances of a good read.

Can you make your voice deeper? ... You hired me for my rich baritone voice. If you'd wanted a basso profundo, you should have hired him (or her...apologies to any bassa profundas out there). Plus deepness does not make a good read. Great interpretation of the copy does.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can you make your voice deeper? ... You hired me for my rich baritone voice. If you'd wanted a basso profundo, you should have hired him (or her...apologies to any bassa profundas out there). Plus deepness does not make a good read. Great interpretation of the copy does.

Bruce


To add to that - at least in my case - the director says: "Can you do it with more hair"?

Toodles

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frank F wrote:
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Can you make your voice deeper? ... You hired me for my rich baritone voice. If you'd wanted a basso profundo, you should have hired him (or her...apologies to any bassa profundas out there). Plus deepness does not make a good read. Great interpretation of the copy does.

Bruce


To add to that - at least in my case - the director says: "Can you do it with more hair"?

Toodles

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Utterly pointless in my case.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: I'm gathering info on what you think is good VO directio Reply with quote

Deirdre wrote:


My peeve is the "perfect" peeve as well.
"Great-- now give me another one just like that."
Why?



You know, I have said this to talent after they reached the sound and style I was after. The reason in the back of my head is that no one can deliver exactly the same performance, twice. So, therfore, there will be minute differences in the second read and one word or sentence might have a better inflection than the first take. I then can go back and blend the two together with ease.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:59 am    Post subject: Re: I'm gathering info on what you think is good VO directio Reply with quote

Dan-O wrote:
Deirdre wrote:

My peeve is the "perfect" peeve as well.
"Great-- now give me another one just like that."
Why?


You know, I have said this to talent after they reached the sound and style I was after. The reason in the back of my head is that no one can deliver exactly the same performance, twice. So, therfore, there will be minute differences in the second read and one word or sentence might have a better inflection than the first take. I then can go back and blend the two together with ease.

Dan,

I understand what you're saying and also why you would ask someone to "do it again" under those circumstances; but would you say "Perfect. Now do it again" or something more like "Very good. Let's have another one just like that"?

I'm always happy to give a director another take. It's just that there's a bit of cognitive dissonance for me to hear "Perfect" and "Do it again" in the same breath.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just get the job done! Rolls Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:30 pm    Post subject: Re: I'm gathering info on what you think is good VO directio Reply with quote

bobsouer wrote:
It's just that there's a bit of cognitive dissonance for me to hear "Perfect" and "Do it again" in the same breath.


Couldn't've said it better myself.
However-- I'm glad the hear a succinct reason from the Producer's side.
It gives me a bit more compassion.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drew wrote:
Story of my life. The day's just never complete without someone telling me to "stuff it."


Well ever since Flo quit Mel's diner and become a director, things have gone down hill for me too. "Kiss my grits" and that stuff......


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:43 pm    Post subject: Am I missing something? Reply with quote

Look at it from the other side. Here's an example: Every now and then I'm asked to produce on loction TV for cable. If we do an on-camera talent tag, I will ask for many versions of the same line. I especially will ask for "one more for insurance" after the "perfect" one. My job is to give the final edit crew as much to work with as needed.
When you hang around and watch a vo producer, aren't they getting as much on the track as they can to cover every possibility? Good ones will slip and slide each word if necessary and appreciate a director getting that material from a talent. (And you are the voice talent, that's why they called in the first place.)

Re-read Don LaFontaine's chapter in Joan Baker's "Secrets of Voice Over Success." It about the work ethic.
I am glad to jump through any hoop that's asked for.
My peeve is if they don't call me in the first place.
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