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Mike McGonegal



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:33 pm    Post subject: A Long 'P'? Reply with quote

Hi folks - I've got an odd one for you. Does anyone know how to pronounce a long 'p' sound?*

I've got a piece to record tomorrow about a product called "FieldMapp" and the client wants that; "Mapp should be a long p. Not very long, but long enough for a listener to distinguish it from “map”."

How the frak does one make a long 'p'? Do you leave in the post 'p' puff of air, draw out the silence between Mapp and the ensuing word, or something else?

Any ideas? Helpp!

Thanks,
-Mike
* - yes, all of the obligatory pee jokes have already run through my head... Smile
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Philip Banks
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're re-inventing the English lanaguge as such a sound doesn't exist. A double consonant is usually followed by a vowel, e, which softens it or the preceding vowel is flattened.

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Ok, I'm being simplistic but we're not Swedish!

In Sweden, Mapp would be Mah-Puh
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Philip Banks wrote:
In Sweden, Mapp would be Mah-Puh

In Sweden Mapp is Mapp. Have no idea how a Swedish long p is supposed to sound like!
Mike, I suggest you call the client and have him pronounce it for you.
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Mike McGonegal



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jacob,

Yep, I'll give him a shout in the morning. ...I was just kind of hoping that someone out here had run into a similar "thing" before.

Thanks to both you and Philip and have a great week!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the dumbest direction ever.

Give them a big fat plosive and they'll re-think their silly "branding" efforts.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jacob Ekstroem wrote:

In Sweden Mapp is Mapp. Have no idea how a Swedish long p is supposed to sound like!


With a mouth full of interesting cheese.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. Just ... Wow.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's what I think about the long P

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long P--hysterical. Try maaap--extend the a-- Extend a consonant--uh, no.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmm...I thought a "long P" was something that only took place in the bathroom... Shocked

I know...only a 5-yr-old would say somethin' like THAT!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over-hydrate... that always makes for a good long pee
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe this guy's pulling your leg (as distinguished from your finger).

That's like the guy in the Monty Python 'Bookshop' sketch asking Mr. Cleese for the expurgated version of Olsen's Standard Book of British Birds. The one without the Nuthatch. They wet their nests.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't be scared. It will be okay! We Americans tend to completely swallow the P in map so that it sounds like 'mah'. I'll bet that what they really want to hit is that is it a FieldM-APP it's an app, right? So, just give that P some well deserved attention and a little puff of air at the end. It will be fine. I have no qualms about their direction at all - makes sense. They even said they don't want you to hit it too hard.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the vowel in said word hides the secret.

How I wish Swedish had long Ps. It would make our language even more ridiculous.

And neu! I'm off to keep assimilating the accent of my Scottish surrogate parents.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they're making up the term "long P", but not their intent.

To be slightly serious, you could try this...when I tried to emphasize the P in mapp I found myself releasing a bit of a "puh" at the end of the P, sort of a map-puh... but not too much or it will sound silly. I also took a tiny extra pause after the P and ahead of the next word to make it stand alone and therefore stand out.

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