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TC Club 300
Joined: 21 May 2006 Posts: 397 Location: Iowa City
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:10 pm Post subject: The most basic of Pro Tools questions |
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How do I determine what the decibel levels of a Pro Tools track are? I don't see any markings on the waveforms or in the meters that indicate it. For instance, if I wanted to determine the decibel level of the loudest peak in a voice track, how would I do it? I've combed the user's manual and my copy of the Pro Tools Visual Quickstart Guide, but I can't find any direction. I'm using Pro Tools 7 LE.
Thanks.
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COURVO Even Taller Than He Seems On TV
Joined: 10 Feb 2006 Posts: 1569 Location: Vegas, Baby!
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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Tony,
I'm still discovering all ProTools can do...and I'm not at my DAW to help you look for this right now, but when I've had questions, I've always been able to find answers at the Digidesign Users Forum.
Go to:
http://duc.digidesign.com/
oh, and....don't let Frank F talk you out of ProTools!
Dave C. _________________ Dave Courvoisier - Las Vegas, NV
http://www.CourVO.com
CourVO@CourVO.com
Courvo's "Voice Acting in Vegas" Blog: http://www.CourVO.biz
on your phone at courvo.mobi
702.610.6288
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Frank F Fat, Old, and Sassy
Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 4421 Location: Park City, Utah
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't do that - if you're a glutton for punishment - use ProFools. If you like to have a GUI that needs three hands and two feet to make something happen - use ProFools. If you want more horsepower than is required at a price that is above and beyond the sky - use PT - if not, and you are on a PC - I have some easy to use - simple to understand - very VO friendly (but capable of much more) programs that are designed for what we as VO talent do - at a price that won't make you cringe which I might suggest to look into.
So, if you like ProTools (and yes, I do have a PT program or two on both Mac and PC) - be happy... but don't complain when you can't make it work for your real needs....
Pro Tools is a good program - I just find it disgustingly tedious to use... my opinion and my opinion alone.
Frank F _________________ Be thankful for the bad things in life. They opened your eyes to the good things you weren't paying attention to before. email: thevoice@usa.com |
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TC Club 300
Joined: 21 May 2006 Posts: 397 Location: Iowa City
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, Dave. I went there, too, before posting here, but I had no luck. I think this is one of those questions that is so basic that nobody ever needs to know the answer. Or something. Maybe I'm just not using the proper search terms.
Pro Tools is definitely overkill for what I need to do. But, heck, it came with my MBox, and I see it in all the studios I've been in, so I thought it might be a good idea to learn how to use it. And before I hit this snag, I was really enjoying it. (The Scrubber tool alone is worth the price of admission!)
Here's what I'm trying to do: I'm reading Hogan and Fisher's "The Voice Actor's Guide to Home Recording." They advise tweaking audio that you're going to encode to MP3. They say, first, do a high pass and a low pass on it. OK, I did that.
Next, they say to compress it, to limit its dynamic range to about 12 dB. To do that, they instruct you to set your threshold three to six decibels below the loudest peak level in your recording. Problem is, I don't know what the decibel levels are in Pro Tools. They don't appear to be marked anywhere like they are in the waveforms of other audio software.
At this point, I don't even care if it helps the audio quality of my files. I just want to know how to do it because I've spent so much time fruitlessly searching for a way to read the decibels in ProFoo... er, Pro Tools. |
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brianforrester Backstage Pass
Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 492 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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I don't have PT running right now... but off of the top of my head, I believe that in 7.0 there was a plugin bundle that included a couple of different noise meters...
When you select plugins, I believe that they are under the "other" tab.
In reality though, I never use it... I simply l look at the waveform and keep an eye on the meter. If it doesn't get into the red (or clip) zone, I'm a happy camper.
Good Luck with it.
Brian _________________ Brian Forrester Voice Overs
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COURVO Even Taller Than He Seems On TV
Joined: 10 Feb 2006 Posts: 1569 Location: Vegas, Baby!
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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C'mon Frank....TELL US HOW YOU REALLY FEEL ABOUT ProTools!!!
Courvo _________________ Dave Courvoisier - Las Vegas, NV
http://www.CourVO.com
CourVO@CourVO.com
Courvo's "Voice Acting in Vegas" Blog: http://www.CourVO.biz
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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus
Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 13016 Location: East Jesus, Maine
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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You can always find what the peak is by selecting a region, and going to AudioSuite, then More (or whatever the last option is) and in the drop-down menu, choose Gain. Click Find Peak and it will tell you what the highest level is. _________________ DBCooperVO.com |
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TC Club 300
Joined: 21 May 2006 Posts: 397 Location: Iowa City
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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That's it! Bless you, DB. Now I'll be able to sleep! |
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donrandall Guest
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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Gosh-a-mighty! I'm beginning to feel left out, almost like I'm shirking my duties or just not there for my friends. So many of you are suffering at the hands of pro-tools and I ain't there with ya. I sure hope you will forgive me for not feeling your pain. In the meantime, I'll just keep on keepin' on with a program that works well, is easy to learn and understand and causes me no pain. |
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marko Guest
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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:24 am Post subject: |
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C'mon, Francis lighten up! I love Pro Tools. Granted, it gives me a problem every now and then, but it is an easy to use program and is very stable. Did I mention that it's the industry standard?
Here's a tip to for the PT users. In case you haven't done so yet, learn some of the keyboard shortcuts. Get yourself a programmable wireless mouse, and program some of those functions into the mouse. For example, consolidate section, export section as, zoom in/out. It makes a HUGE difference in the time spent editing. |
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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus
Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 13016 Location: East Jesus, Maine
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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:31 am Post subject: |
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Guys-- the Pro Tools bashing
ENDS HERE.
Enough already.
Everyone it entitled to an opinion , but you're not entitled to belittle others. _________________ DBCooperVO.com |
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Jim Barton Guest
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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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In Pro Tools I always add a Master track to my recorded tracks, even for mono voice. In the Master track, use a plug-in like Maxim. Or if you have WAVES Native plugs, use the L1 plug-in. These are used as final limiters, and they have a setting that limits the output of your system. For the most part I set my sessions to not go above -1. For some clients I set it to go no higher than -6.5.
Sorry for the poor description of this very simple concept, but it's late on Saturday, and I've been in the sun a long time.
Have a great holiday everyone!
Jim |
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Chuck Davis M&M
Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 2389 Location: Where I love to be...Between the Vineyards and the Cows.
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:20 am Post subject: |
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You can always normalize the track to a pre-determined peak in Audiosuite too. Deeb's gain function "peak-" is the simpliest method. If it's not the level you wanted then "gain" or "normalize" can be the fix...or a plug in on the master fader. |
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TC Club 300
Joined: 21 May 2006 Posts: 397 Location: Iowa City
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the tips. I ran a file through all the processes I wanted to do today, and it worked. I could actually detect an improvement in the audio.
This is very cool. A few weeks ago, Pro Tools was this complex, unapproachable thing that I only saw engineers in fancy studios using. Now I'm actually doing productive things with it. |
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kgenus Seriously Devoted
Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 889 Location: Greater NYC Area
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:31 am Post subject: Inspector XL |
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Inspector XL is one of the most useful tools I've come across for audio analysis. I have mentioned this here before, since that time, the company was bought by Roger Nichols Digital, Inc. It's every meter you would need (unless you're mixing 5.1).
For ProTools. _________________ Genus |
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