VO-BB - 19 YEARS OLD!

allensco · Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:14 am Post subject:

Over the year I have been a member of the VO-BB, I feel I have come to know all of you personally, although we have never met face to face. I have learned much reading the thoughts, ideas, and responses from the Pro VO's here. When I posted my demos, I asked for and received honest critiques from many of you. In no way was I ever offended or put off by any comments, even Phillip's Wink

or Kevin G's when he busted my chops a couple of times for the regionality issue. I took Kevin's advice on how to deal with it and have seen much improvement. ALL comments are appreciated and taken for what they are, which is exactly what I asked for...honest opinions. I AM HONORED to be a part of this great community and I have improved AND continue to improve because of it. Thank you! My .02 cents cool

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Bailey · Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:59 am Post subject:

I would be very disappointed in this forum if all critiques were gratuitous and "pie in the sky". And those who submit should feel the same, or seek help elsewhere.
In some ways, I compare critique submissions as though that person were putting on make-up... without a mirror. Sometimes you'll be coloring inside the lines... other times it will be a complete mess. If you look like a clown and I heap mounds of praise on your accomplishments, what does that say about me when others compare your make-up misfortunes to "Night of the Living Dead"?
One thing I like about Phillip is that he can step on your shoes without scuffing the shine... but I've never seem him identify a problem without proposing a corrective measure.

(My plate is pretty full right now... I hope my words came across okay.)
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PJHawke · Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:44 am Post subject:

dhouston67 · Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:45 pm Post subject:

No complaints on my end; I'd observed Banksey's frankness on other boards and welcomed it here. I'm using the comments I got from Banks and others to update and improve my demos. No downside to that. Smile

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glittlefield · Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:28 pm Post subject:

My thoughts are about even with Courvo's. As a noob to this industry, I'm in total sponge mode. Having come from radio where clients are usually less picky about the sound of the delivery, I've developed some bad habits that I need to correct. Once I get a demo together that I can live with, I'd appreciate all the feedback I can get.

However, I'm still learning my instrument and the genres for which I'm best suited. I'm taking my Microsoft-techie-stuffed brain and relearning audio production while learning acting techniques.

The pro's here don't have to help anyone else out, but you do. That shows to me that becoming part of this community is a worthwhile use of my time. As protective as we all are of our piece of the pie, it's nice to find somewhere to unwind, hang out, lurk, and have some fun.

Plus, you folks are kinda twisted. Sticking out Tongue

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Apageloman · Guest

I suppose I am of the same mind as many in the "newbie" catagory and Bansay I do appreciate your discussing the proverbial "elephant in the living room" with regards to critique. Let me simply offer this; you or anyone else as an individual with a certain measure of water under your VO bridge are certainly at your liberty to offer your comments in anyway you see fit, it's a free country, or BB as it were, I also agree that a certain bit of hard critisisim will serve the neophyte in this business well limply cause you have to get used to it, rejection is part of the gig. I would however ask you to consider that as part of your participation on the critique board you demonstrate a concern for the overall professionalism of the business of VO and that as such while harsh critisism might be brought tongue in cheek an air of civility might garner for you an assurance that your valuable insightmight be more openly heard.
That having been said Banksay, I also recognize that personally, I likely could stand with some skin thickening, and that seems to be your intent, I found your comments engaging on my previous post in critique and continue to work the craft to improve. SOOOOOOOOOO.... thank you for that, and (perhaps a little begrudgingly) thanks for being the Simon Cowell of the VO-BB and keeping us all a little more real.

Deirdre · Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:22 pm Post subject:

Bruce · Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject:

Or as the old saying goes: Be careful what you ask for. You might get it.

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Bailey · Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:06 pm Post subject:

Frank F · Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject:

Bailey,
How about this?

Honest Critiques: Free
Tough Critiques $50.00 per evaluation,
Good Critiques $100.00 per evaluation
Glowing Critiques $250.00 per evaluation..
Bold Faced Lies: Priceless. If you have to ask how much, you cant afford it....

I'll split the proceeds with ya' D.B.! Wink

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VO-Guy · Guest

There's alot of experience on this board and everyone can learn something from everyone here not just the noobies, which I am not. If you post in the critique section, like I did as I'm sure everyone has seen, you get what you get. Did Phillips response piss me off, make me made or "hurt my feelings" no it did not. I took it for what it was. There's no hard feelings at all. Bottom line is if you're going to ask for help or advice listen to it. Nobody is going to steer you wrong for the hell of it. You may not like what you hear but at least what you get is honesty and I'll take that over someone pissin in the wind anyday.

audio'connell · Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:37 pm Post subject:

I have two opinions on this topic...they're not opposite, just varying.

My wife loves watching American Idol and tonight after a long day of business travel I plopped down in front of the tube and joined her.

Simon, the star of the show gives an honest critique of each performance...the other two boobs say either blah blah nice or try and skirt around a problem performance. One girl tonight even knew she sucked and said so. Good, she'll improve and learn. But this Simon guy gets shouted down even though he's honest with every performance. Further though, people revel, practically faint if Simon is complimentary....its means something when he says a performance is good....good or bad you get an honest answer. Is that not evident to everyone? Is it only to me?

The same applies to the critique forum.

I speak for no one else but myself when I say an honest answer is all I've ever wanted in a critique and its all I've ever offered...including spending time dissecting for FREE when I get paid a consulting fee for when I produce demos...identifying quality, individuality and most of all well rounded talent.

So why is it up for discussion on this board...cause somebody didn't like the tone or the harshness?!

WTF!

A harsh critique puts into words what these poorly reviewed folks are not hearing when they are NOT hired and when their calls to prospects are NOT returned. If someone gets a crappy review but is making oodles of money on their voice....then to hell with the reviewer. You asked for an honest opinion you got it...it’s up to you to decide whether to heed it or ignore it but to WHINE over it would show a thin skin that would serve a person poorly in almost every profession but most especially any type of performing art including VO.

Secondly, save for some legal reason that I may be oblivious to cause I'm not on board as often as I might like and am unaware of some "issue", the very concept of pulling a critique disappoints what I feel to be the very essence of the board. When a public critique is requested, all public responses are valid unless they are deemed libelous or maliciously insulting in a way that has nothing directly to do with a voice demo (which is and should be completely unacceptable). DB has the final say as it’s her nickel but deleting a post for any other reason than the above stated seems to threaten the credibility of the board.

Now, because I personally have no credibility....I never feel threatened.
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Deirdre · Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: