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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:13 pm    Post subject: Low Frequency Cutoff Setting on mic Reply with quote

I have a Shure SM27 mic. THere is a switch that allows for a low frequency cutoff (18 dB per octave at 80 Hz) to eliminate low frequency noise from HVAC systems. Are there any disadvantages in using this? Would it make the processing and engineering of the audio files more difficult somehow?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just a bass roll-off. There is nothing usable down in those frequencies for VO. If I'm compressing I use a 75Hz hipass filter anyway.

So the answer is - No.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What Mike said. Most VO producers have the lowcut circuit permanently on, it's common practice.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many male VOs have a lot of content below 80 hz. You wouldn't want to remove the 50-80 hz part of James Earl Jones or Jeff Bridges for example.

I like to roll off beginning at 50 hz.

It would be safe to run the 80 HPF on all females, except maybe Bea Arthur (RIP).
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At any rate, a sweeping filter on a preamp IMO is better than most roll-offs on the mic.

I have yet to encounter a bass roll-off on a mic that didn't create an overly tinny and thin sound.

Possible exception, the RE-20.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bill Campbell wrote:
Many male VOs have a lot of content below 80 hz. You wouldn't want to remove the 50-80 hz part of James Earl Jones or Jeff Bridges for example.


The human voice covers a range from 80 Hz to a peak in the 1-3 kHz region and falls off rapidly afterwards. There's not a lot of energy above 10 kHz. Most of the energy is at 125 Hz to about 6 kHz. Anything below 75 is probably the room resonating.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/dc26f08d2b4ace7e67c063c94a514d49.png
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"I have yet to encounter a bass roll-off on a mic that didn't create an overly tinny and thin sound."

I agree with Rob. Use your ears, not wikipedia.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's why I don't use the mics bass roll off. cool
Particularly with dynamic mics (if you look at the mic charts) like a Sure SM7B, you'll note the roll off begins at around or about 300Hz., wich will suck the low end timbre out of any voice. Bea Arthur included.
http://www.coutant.org/sm7b/index.html


So let's clarify. A mics roll-off switch is intended for when the mic is being used in adverse conditions; outdoors on a windy day, low end rumble, and the like.
It is not intended for "normal" studio conditions, or for the purpose of of preventing a compressor from "Pumping", as would be the intended purpose of engaging a hipass filter or a mixing board roll-off switch.

Oh, the Wiki chart post was for mere convenience of illustration of where the human voice fits on the frequency scale. Ted Cassidy would be on the low end of that scale.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a 50-60Hz roll off kind of guy. If you roll off at 80Hz and then the studio rolls off your file at 80Hz again, you're going to lose a little bit in that 60-80Hz area that I personally like...even if it is just the room resonating. In the real world, the voices we hear are resonating their environments.

Usually what I do for my corporate clients though is HPF at 80 or even 100Hz (perhaps even 150Hz if it's for low-res)...and then with graphic EQ in AA3 aboslutely annihilate everything under 60Hz.

I greatly prefer the HPF on my preamps to my mic HPF, but the one on my Studio Projects SP5 is effective and doesn't make the sound thin (also, it has 50, 75, 150, and 300 Hz settings).
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:48 pm    Post subject: THanks everyone. Reply with quote

THanks for your input everyone. So looks like using the bass rolloff on the mic may not be the best idea. However, I have an M-AUdio Firewire interface rather than a pre-amp with a filter. In that case, can I simply use the high pass filter in my recording software? ARe there any disadvantages to doing this?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:24 pm    Post subject: Re: THanks everyone. Reply with quote

philsvoice wrote:
In that case, can I simply use the high pass filter in my recording software? ARe there any disadvantages to doing this?


That's exactly what you need to do.

Typical sound chain:
Hipass > EQ > Compression

If you use a noise gate, place it before the hipass
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:37 pm    Post subject: Thanks! Reply with quote

THanks you Mike, I appreciate all your input!
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