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Rob Ellis
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| Quote: | | I just think you're over thinking stuff here. STOP. |
This is what happens when you spend too much time in a padded room.  |
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ballenberg
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | If you stay in the booth adding glass is just will create problems, especially in such a small space. |
Mike--Do you mean that if he chooses to keep using the WhisperRoom, he should not add storm windows or Plexiglass? Because it would make the noise problem somehow complicated, or because it isn't cost-effective?
Also, if Plexi was added to the window frames, is there a way to do this, and still make the windows usable when recording is not being done? |
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Mike Sommer
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| ballenberg wrote: | | Quote: | | If you stay in the booth adding glass is just will create problems, especially in such a small space. |
Mike--Do you mean that if he chooses to keep using the WhisperRoom, he should not add storm windows or Plexiglass? Because it would make the noise problem somehow complicated, or because it isn't cost-effective? |
What I was referring to Rob's idea of adding pictures i.e. reflexive material in his booth to help "brighten" up the sound.
This is a bad idea, especially in such a small space. What one will get is slap back, and that's not very attractive audio. That is to say, glass is not a very musical material. One has to fess up to the fact that it's a small booth, and it's going to sound like a small box.
Rob's room does not sound that bad as it is. And getting out of that coffin might be the best thing for him. Sitting for hours in a dark small box was a form of punishment in in prison camps. So why would you wan to commit yourself to such punishment?
I don't know how much traffic and outside noise occurs over the course of a week, a month, a year at his house. But if it's once or twice a day, then that is totally manageable. I know of one person here, that does quite well under the landing path of a small local airport.
| Quote: | | Also, if Plexi was added to the window frames, is there a way to do this, and still make the windows usable when recording is not being done? |
Plexi glass is not the same as glass in terms of mass. I need to do the math, but I believe you need 1-inch to equal the mass of half inch thick glass (I could be wrong, but I think I'm close). And I always use laminated glass, because it lowers the level that frequencies can pass.
The windows are usable in the way that sunlight can pass through. But if you want to open the window, that would be a problem. If you want a functional window, that is abel to mitigate sound, then get ready to spend some money. Otherwise you'll need to build an air tight plug to close up the window. The plug can be made so that it can be removed.
This is why we need to pick our battles, and understand what you need to get you where you want to be.
I hope I've answered your question.
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asnively
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I don't how much traffic and outside noise occurs over the course of a week, a month, a year at his house. But if it's once or twice a day, then that is totally manageable. I know of one person here, that does quite well under the landing path of a small local airport. |
That's amazing! Surely they must have the patience of Job.
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ballenberg
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes Mike, that's really good information. Thanks. |
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Rob Ellis
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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I still may come out of the booth, not kicking and screaming but maybe
whimpering and complaining  |
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Mike Sommer
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| asnively wrote: | | That's amazing! Surely they must have the patience of Job. |
She does.
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Rob Ellis
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:16 am Post subject: |
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One discovery that I have made:
Recording lower in the booth (sitting instead o standing) seems to bring the sound closer to that of my "live" room, while at the same time getting the benefits of the sound isolation and acoustic treatment.
It seems to balance out the lower end a little more and sound a bit more natural and "live" |
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Mike Sommer
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That would make sense, you could use more treatment on the ceiling.
What's happening is that you're in middle of a frequency, and it's boosting or coloring your voice at that frequency. Men with beep voices should not be in small booths.
This is also why we want rooms with high ceilings 10-feet is a across the board favorite height for small studios; at least that what we like to start with when working out studio ratios.
In this same vain, we don't want to b sitting to low, especially if we've pushed our mics against the wall. Get away from the walls, and move around until you find the sweet spot, and stay there.
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Dan-O
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Rob Ellis
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Does Dr. Drew (or Phil) do interventions for audio geeks?
So sitting down didn't work for you, Dan-O?
I definitely think the sound of the booth is better when the mic is in the sitting positon. Something about being that much closer to the ceiling when standing seems to sort of muffle the sound.
Out in my room is definitely more open, but also much less focused and way
more diffuse-sounding. Addressing the noise wouldn't be that big of a deal, mainly just a door and some storm windows.
So Dan-O have you DEFINITELY decided to kick down the booth door, or are you still in the waffle stage (like me)  |
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Dan-O
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Rob Ellis
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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Okay I am starting to feel like a mad scientist at this point, but....
In the open room, I had the mic pretty much in the middle (see pictures)
and it sounded more open but still very unfocused.
But when I stand with my back facing my open booth door covered in a quilt---WOW----much better sound (at least with the 416) this may have been the nudge that I needed. |
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Mike Sommer
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Rob Ellis wrote: | | Something about being that much closer to the ceiling when standing seems to sort of muffle the sound. |
That means you're in a null. The frequency gods have alined and have canceled a frequency or a group of frequencies.
| Quote: | | when I stand with my back facing my open booth door covered in a quilt---WOW----much better sound |
YOu have effectively made a sound scape, by knocking down the echos in the room.
If you look over the back of Keith David you'll see where the diffusion gobos were covered with a moving blanket to knock down the scatter effect of the gobo.
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captain54
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Dan-O wrote: | My reads were affected by sitting down. Yes, it sounded better...but that doesn't mean squat when my reads aren't performed well.
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I never really got this.....do you guys think you can "act" better when standing up? |
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