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Frank F Fat, Old, and Sassy

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 4421 Location: Park City, Utah
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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As explained to Caryn (which she has already experienced) the "presence" changes when backing away from the microphone.
To keep presence and allow for volume changes, turn your head slightly away from the microphone pickup element. Although you may feel weird thinking your are now listening to the back of your head, this trick almost always works.
Think of the pickup element on a shotgun microphone as a laser pointer shooting past your nose about four to five inches away from your face.
Using the side axis of your voice projection in relation to the mic element as a baseline, turn your head away from the microphone but still in the microphone pickup pattern.
You may need to adjust your proximity in relation to the microphone, but this will allow you to keep the presence, feel, and color of the microphone without over-driving the diaphragm of the condenser with LOUD voice-talkin'.
Good microphone technique is always a plus. Bad microphone technique however, is much more noticeable with microphones which were designed to be used at a distance (i.e.: Shotgun microphones).
Toodles
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Ed Gambill Cinquecento

Joined: 18 Nov 2007 Posts: 561 Location: King, NC 35mi SE of Mayberry
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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In the film/video world presence is also called perspective. On a long shot the perspective can be forced by using a plant mic with concealed recorders or a wireless mic. This forced prespective can be use for dramatic effect but it often considered as to unnatural, the long shotguns are preferred.
On the tight shot the hyper cardioids is use more often than the short shotgun and in some cases the cardioid is used for a open and natural sound.
When you consider it the presence for on camera dialogue and sound is very focused even when a short shotgun is as much as 2ft away from the talent. _________________ Esse quam videri "To be rather than to seem"
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Philip Banks Je Ne Sais Quoi

Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 11076 Location: Portgordon, Scotland
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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BenWils wrote: | Caryn in a box.  |
A delivery which no doubt includes a ribbon. Very enterprising! |
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georgethetech The Gates of Troy

Joined: 18 Mar 2007 Posts: 1878 Location: Topanga, CA
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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Man, what a drag! That's not the first bad 416 I've seen purchased through Ebay. I had another client have a Ebay 416 serviced last year for around $300 through Coffey Sound, but they just send it to Sennheiser. Another client's 416 just started exhibiting the same "snap, crackle, pop" behavior last week, but he was lucky to have a second one to use.
I hope you got a great deal on it. _________________ If it sounds good, it is good.
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BenWils The Thirteenth Floor

Joined: 08 May 2006 Posts: 1324 Location: In a Flyover State
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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Ed Gambill wrote: | In the film/video world presents is also called perspective. |
Presents? See, now you have Caryn in a box again....with Philip's bow. Instead of in a box, I would rather be in her presence than have her wrapped up like a present. That is just me though. _________________ Ben
"To be really good at voiceover, you need to improve your footwork and hip snap." |
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Ed Gambill Cinquecento

Joined: 18 Nov 2007 Posts: 561 Location: King, NC 35mi SE of Mayberry
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Ben
Thanks. It has been a bad spelling day for sure. _________________ Esse quam videri "To be rather than to seem"
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CarynClark MMD

Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 2697 Location: Fort Myers, FL
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Me in a box... you know, I've been banging my head against the wall trying to figure out what to get my husband for his 40th birthday next week. That has possibilities.
Yup, I'll just stay in my studio the entire day.
 _________________ Caryn Clark... The Hip Chick Voice!
"A positive mental attitude and having faith in your ability is quite different from being irresponsible and downright stupid." - Dave |
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Bruce Boardmeister

Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 7978 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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CarynClark wrote: | Me in a box... you know, I've been banging my head against the wall trying to figure out what to get my husband for his 40th birthday next week.
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Of course there's always you jumping out of a big birthday cake wearing nothing but frosting. I don't think he'd forget that birthday!
Creative minds at work here.....
B _________________ VO-BB Member #31 Enlisted June, 2005
I'm not a Zoo, but over the years I've played one on radio/TV. . |
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CarynClark MMD

Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 2697 Location: Fort Myers, FL
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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YEAH!!!
NO!!!
LOL _________________ Caryn Clark... The Hip Chick Voice!
"A positive mental attitude and having faith in your ability is quite different from being irresponsible and downright stupid." - Dave |
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Yoda117 M&M

Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 2362 Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: |
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People getting stuff through e-Bay and finding out it wasn't as advertised.
What will come next?
Actually, I keep away from most studio gear on that site for that very reason. It's more expensive, but if there's a problem, I can always go back to the original dealer and fix it, or get my $ back without any hassle.
Some of the scams on "vintage" gear is just scary. _________________ Voiceovers by Gregory Houser
Philadelphia based Voice Actor
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Diane Maggipinto Spreading Snark Worldwide

Joined: 03 Mar 2006 Posts: 6679 Location: saul lay seetee youtee
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Ben: ...Caryn in a box.
Banksey: A delivery which no doubt includes a ribbon. |
and I thought all along we were talking 416s ... not ribbon mics.
thank you. thank you very much. _________________ sitting at #8, though not as present as I'd like to be. Hello!
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CarynClark MMD

Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 2697 Location: Fort Myers, FL
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Ladies and Gentleman, she'll be here all night.
And don't forget to try the veal.
(I've always wanted to say that! Did I get it right?) _________________ Caryn Clark... The Hip Chick Voice!
"A positive mental attitude and having faith in your ability is quite different from being irresponsible and downright stupid." - Dave |
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CarynClark MMD

Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 2697 Location: Fort Myers, FL
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: |
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Oh, and Yoda, I hear you.
But, I've been fortunate.
I bought both my Symetrix and my Telos Zephyr XStream thru eBay. Knock on wood... no major issues.
Though, I did call the seller of the XStream a number of times with questions and to make sure he was legit b/c there were a number of fraudulent XStreams listed at the time.
And, oh yeah, always make sure your stuff is from a non-smoking studio. Make sure it says that in the ad, or ask the question. My Symetrix came smokey as heck... I didn't think to ask about that. I did have to have Symetrix fix some things (bad pots) a few months ago. Not sure if that was due to smoke or not, but always better to just not have smokey equipment. _________________ Caryn Clark... The Hip Chick Voice!
"A positive mental attitude and having faith in your ability is quite different from being irresponsible and downright stupid." - Dave |
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Mike Elmore Guest
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: Well |
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So far I have done nothing...lol....except continue to use it for jobs and 3 sessions now....One of the sessions was for one of my imaging jobs (a little closer to the mic than I normally go)....no problems at all and it still sounds awesome.....I am prepared for a recurrance though, perhaps.....I am handling it with Kid Gloves though...
only paid 600.00 for it....plus 20.00 shipping and "handling"..... |
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MBVOXX Been Here Awhile

Joined: 03 Jun 2008 Posts: 236 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: |
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Ed
can you summarize all that into laymans terms? |
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