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Bailey
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mary, nice job. Does the "blue haired" girl have a 10" waist?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Connie, I've seen some pretty bad copy written by native American English writers Wink As a non-native my grammar seems to be better at times than that of natives.....

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

schaer wrote:
Connie, I've seen some pretty bad copy written by native American English writers Wink As a non-native my grammar seems to be better at times than that of natives.....

Bernard


True enough Bernard - let me clarify...it's not the bad grammar - that we can fix up in a jiffy most of the time. I'm referring to:

- Simply a bad concept - not well executed - with unrealistic expectations - written by native English speakers for native English speakers.

- Or completely butchered syntax and incorrect word usage created by non-native English speakers for the English speaking audience that makes the script A. too long, B. too complex, C. barely (to completely) incomprehensible...or all of the above.

I have much more success helping those in the second category polish their scripts (when time permits) than with the first.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm on the verge of writing a short note to a 'client' to withdraw from a project. The scope of what he needs is beyond the services that I am willing to provide for him (at least at the price I agreed upon for just voicing it.)

The script is so bad. He wanted me originally just to tidy up the English to make it more conversational-- no prob. I made my living as a full-time copywriter for years. But it's really beyond that. And he feels uncomfortable with email, so he needs to call me repeatedly on the phone, on a bad VOIP connection from a far-off country, and speak to me at length in broken English about his "vision."

And it's supposed to be a narration for an animation, but they did the animation first, before the script was written! So the words and the animation do not even appear to be talking about the same thing! My guess is that the poor Flash animator just did his best to animate a general concept for :60 based on telephone conversations-- no copy. No storyboards. Just a mess.

I have never, ever withdrawn from a media project before. I just have no choice this time. Sorry about the impromptu vent apropos of nothing...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, Amy - no need to apologize. That's what we're here for! Smile
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Bruce
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had to turn down a couple of "lucrative" deals just in the past couple of weeks.

One was for audio commercials that would run on websites and the client's client would have dozens and eventually hundreds of spots to record or customize off of the originals. Demos were made and approved...with one exception: "You made the demos 38 seconds long. They need to be 30 seconds exactly."

Yes but they're only going on Internet websites, so length doesn't matter.

"Well they might want to use them on the radio".

Well here's my rate for national radio spots for a year's usage.

The heavy phone and email exchanges suddenly stopped.

The other one was a fella who wanted to create basic animated TV spots using my voice and sell them to clients around the country. He wants me to record 40 of them in the near term. (How exciting!)

How much is the fee if they sell I ask? "A good fee up front and a residual payment with every new client that buys these." Uh huh.

Finally gets approval on the first one for a chain of stores in the South and the fee will be $100 per spot and a never specified residual per new client. "Oh, and you made the demo spot a :40. we need to cut it down to :30."

I gave him my rate for national TV voiceovers for a year, plus a fee plan for addition stores or chains he might sell them to. Haven't heard a word for several days now. Hmmm.

Bruce

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(By the way both demos were made un-reusable by virtue of length and of music under some phrases and not others, and in the second one, I made sure my voice, and that of the female voice talent he provided, over-lapped in the final mix he got.)
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always make auditions either too long or incomplete.
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