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Mike Sommer · Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:30 am Post subject:

A highpass at 100Hz???

Now you're starting to lop off the low end of the vocal range.

I think what George meant to say is, use a Parametric EQ, set at 100Hz
and couture the sound that way.

I would treat the booth first with rigid insulation, 4 inches on each wall ( yeah, I know that cuts the size of the booth down by 8 inches but that's what it takes- especially if you're a bass baritone).

I hate to say this but a booth that size is just way to small. 6X6 would be as small as I would ever go.
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Chuck Davis · Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:45 am Post subject:

High pass on my Eureka is 80hz. I usually have that on all the time anyway.

Would have loved to do a larger booth...but room size dictates smaller.
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Mike Sommer · Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:05 pm Post subject:

HighPass at 80Hz is fine, everything below that is generally unneeded resonance, I even go down as far as 75Hz.
But at 100Hz you're stepping on the low frequency spectrum of of the Bass and Baritone

I believe George was just trying to describe how to contour the Rode to sound like the 416. Instead of writing Parametric EQ he wrote Hipass
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Chuck Davis · Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:59 am Post subject:

Well the Whisperroom is in and working. I'll post some sound samples in a bit...still tweaking and working out the slight boxiness....

...and the rest of the studio......

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Rob Ellis · M&M Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 2385 Location: Detroit

Looking forward to it!

BTW Chuck the fluorescent light that Whisper Rooms come with

caused my recordings to pick up a slight hum/buzz. LED lighting fixed it.

Chuck Davis · Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:42 am Post subject:

Hey Rob!

No problems with any noise from the light for me. The air system is too noisy to be left on while recording....otherwise it's pretty good. Did you end up doing anything to the corners inside? Wondering if some traps might help the little bit of boxiness I hear. Honestly though, it really doesn't come out in recordings. I had one TV to finish up this morning so I had that one to play with. I'll post the audio in a bit.

BTW - we're both on Nancy's demo makeover page now.
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Rob Ellis · M&M Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 2385 Location: Detroit

Auralex traps helped me, but honestly I think it depends on how picky you are.

I have gone all out with ATS Acoustics rockwool panels which cover about 80% of my booth and really take away a lot of the boxiness. I would probably go with a rockwool or OC 703 configured bass trap instead of foam if I were you.

ATS Acoustics is a good resource, or gearslutz.com also.

Just try not to get too distracted by it like I have been known to do.

So did you just do a new demo with Nancy? I have been considering
doing another one with her for Narration or Promo or Imaging, etc.

Chuck Davis · Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:33 am Post subject:

Gotcha. I'll look into it. I know a few folks who use the same booth as-is with no problem so......we'll see.

I studied with Nancy for a good portion of last year and just did the new demo in late December. Jason S is working on a new website/visual brand for me now. I just wanted to re-launch and really have my A game together for this year, I'm looking to next level myself in a big way this year, The idea is to add some good solid agency representation in some medium markets to the excellent base of regular clients that I have now. Then on from there.

Narration demo with her will be my next undertaking....probably in late summer.
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Mike Sommer · Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:08 pm Post subject:

I've calculated thews booths before. They need 4-inches of rigid insulation corner to corner floor to ceiling, and 4 -inches on the ceiling. You might need a little more in the corners, but if you go corner to corner you should be ok.

INSUl- Shield or 703 will do.
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Chuck Davis · Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:57 pm Post subject:

Here's a sound sample. It's a TV script I had left to produce this weekend.
No processing. NTG-3, Prosonus Eureka (no dynamics or EQ - just an 80hz hipass), into ProTool thru my Mackie LM3204 and Midiman Flying Cow AD/DA

http://www.chuckdaviscreative.com/Ramey%20AG%20-%20Superbowl%202011%20dry%20vo.mp3
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Mike Sommer · Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:46 pm Post subject:

Could you take off the HiPass and just give a raw file please.

At the moment there is a lot of ambient sound from the booth. Your voice has a resonance that it ringing somewhere in the upper frequencies, not sure what. You can hear how you're just on the verge of pushing sibilant due to the ringing.

The booth is pretty much going to need what I prescribed. With your voice you might get away with 2-inches of rigid insulation on the walls, but you may need 4-inches on one or two of the walls. It's a matter of playing with it "Tuning" it.
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georgethetech · Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:48 pm Post subject:

I said 100hz because the NTG3 sounds a little tubby compared to a 416, and the Whisper Room tends to exacerbate the problem. Usually 80hz works pretty nicely in almost all situations. If you can't adjust your HPF, just punch the 80Hz button and adjust EQ in software accordingly (if necessary). Happy to give it a listen, but as Mike said, without the sauce, just the meat.
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Chuck Davis · Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:31 am Post subject:

George and Mike. Thanks so much for the golden ears.

Here's a wav, totally dry. No hipass, eq ect.

http://www.chuckdaviscreative.com/Sample_dry_noEQ_or_hipass.wav
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Mike Sommer · Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:05 am Post subject:

Hey George I agree with the correction of the tubbiness, but one only needs a Parametric EQ set to 100Hz and bump down that frequency -3 or -4 dB. If your parametric has a Q setting you can widen the frequency effected to taste.

Chuck,

You have high frequency ringing starting at about 9,000 Hz. This is mostly do to comb filter and he carpet on the walls. I also made a note that you could be getting sibilance at 7,916Hz, this is also due to comb filter echo.

There also seems to be a Null around 3,000Hz and 4,000Hz, at 3,916Hz it seem pretty deep.

The low end resonance of the booth is pretty much smearing the intelligibility to your voice in the upper mids.

A HighPass Filter at 80Hz recommended at this point.

This is pretty much a no brainer, stuff this booth with rigid fiberglass door, walls and ceiling.
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Chuck Davis · Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:44 am Post subject:

Thanks Mike. Like 703? How thick?
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