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Vocalvoodoo · Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:28 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the info, Bruce. Good to know it is a lot cheaper than what their site suggests.
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Vocalvoodoo · Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:41 pm Post subject:

Still available...price lowered to $850
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verbcrunch · Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:55 pm Post subject:

Why is everyone getting rid of their Gefell M930's ?

I'm keeping mine.
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Brad Venable · Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:01 pm Post subject:

Because I already had a Neumann TLM-103 and was in the market for a Sennheiser MKH-416.
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verbcrunch · Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:04 pm Post subject:

I think the Gefell M930 is a far better mic than the Neumann TLM-103, but prefer the Sennheiser MKH-416 to both as well.
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Rob Ellis · M&M Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 2385 Location: Detroit

Love my M930.

When the 416 just isn't getting it, the M930 always comes to my rescue.

Vocalvoodoo · Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:09 am Post subject:

I also prefer my 416 to the Gefell, which is why I'm getting rid of the M930.
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Mike Sommer · Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:53 pm Post subject:

416 I just don't get it!

I'm not knocking it, I just don't get what folks think is so great about it. There are so many more versatile mics out there, that are just better, like a Gefell 71s or an AKG C 414 XLS.

Not picking a fight, it just boggles my mind. What do you think you are getting from it?
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Vocalvoodoo · Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:46 pm Post subject:

It's definitely not the most lush sounding mic, but I think that's why I like it, at least for hard sell and imaging stuff. While the low end isn't huge, unless right up on it, it sounds very tight to me and just present enough, as do the low mids. My voice tends to be too low mid heavy, so the 416 helps clean that up. And I like how it cuts. It just sounds very clear and present to me on my voice. Almost like a "finished" sound with not much post needed.

I know a lot of people work that mic really close, but I think on me that sounds pretty bad. Just a muddy mess. The sweet spot for me is somewhere between 6 and 8 inches. That's what she said.

Although I do have to be careful since it is pretty aggressive. It can be a sibilant nightmare if I don't watch it.

But I know you're definitely not alone, Mike. And you're right, it's definitely not a very versatile mic, IMO. I tried using for a parody song or two and vocals through it sounded horrid. Very thin and harsh.
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Rob Ellis · M&M Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 2385 Location: Detroit

I have days when I love it and others not so much.

Mike Sommer · Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:38 pm Post subject:

Let me ask you this Josh, are you doing the post production on these commercials, or are you just doing the voice?
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Vocalvoodoo · Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:37 pm Post subject:

It's about 70/30. Most all of the imaging VO and commercial reads are just going out dry. The other stuff I do, I voice and produce.
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verbcrunch · Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:08 am Post subject:

The 416 is a real anomaly i think, was never designed for voiceover. Ernie Anderson famously used it, and now it remains the standard "go to" mic for promo VO work. Not sure if it's still the case, but ABC TV required their announcers to use it. Once did an ISDN patch with an Emmy winning ABC producer, suggested using the Gefell 930, she said "let's hear it". Hooked it up, copy was read. Then switched to the 416. She flatly said "416 hands down". Since then i've rarely used my Gefell.

For animated reads or singing, you're much better off with a traditional cardioid pattern condenser mic. More forgiving if you move off axis.
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Rob Ellis · M&M Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 2385 Location: Detroit

Hey Jeff,

How close do you work it?

verbcrunch · Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 10:52 pm Post subject:

Rob,

Usually about 4 or 5 inches away, backing off when it gets loud.
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