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kitstern Been Here Awhile
Joined: 06 Feb 2005 Posts: 218 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:01 pm Post subject: Studio Center. |
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I've received a package welcoming me to Studio Center's talent roster and since there were questions awhile back about their exclusivity policy I thought I'd better get that clarified before I signed the paperwork.
Here's the word from their talent director:
Quote: | You don't not have to give up your agent or prior clients if you attach a list with your contract detailing your current accounts. We do require our talent to be exclusive with us which means that you cannot participate on any other marketing material for voice overs.
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I emailed back asking for clarification, and this includes Voice 123, Interactive Voices and Commercial Voices.com, all of which have me on their Websites.
Deidre and I have been talking about this, but I'd sure appreciate some input from other members. Do you get work from Studio Center? Do you also belong to ProComm? Thanks. _________________ Enjoy life, this is not a rehearsal.
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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 13023 Location: Camp Cooper
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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I do not believe you can also be a member of ProComm. _________________ DBCooperVO.com
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ballenberg Lucky 700
Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 793 Location: United States
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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Run away as fast as you can. That's a very bad deal.
Unless they're guaranteeing you gobs of money (and they can't), I'd avoid this like the plague.
This is of course, only my two cents, and others may think I'm dead wrong.
I'm not. |
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anthonyVO 14th Avenue
Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Posts: 1470 Location: NYC
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with Bill.
Although they are recognized online, they most likely will not be able to provide you with enough work to either make a living exclusively from it or to make up for work lost from dropping other means of exposure.
Finally, check for "out" clauses - for example, if they don't provide you with a specified amount of work within a specified amount of time (say maybe 3 months), you have the right to terminate the agreement.
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mcm Smart Kitteh

Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 2600 Location: w. MA, USA
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with Bill and Anthony.
You know, one of several things I would not like about it, if they do business the way I imagine they do, is that SC would be your broker, in effect, and you would not get to interact with the client. The clients themselves are more than half the fun in this business. I like them and like doing business with them directly, whether they are producers, ad agencies or the end client themselves. I don't want a middleman.
Just my opinion. |
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Deirdre Czarina Emeritus

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 13023 Location: Camp Cooper
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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mcm wrote: | ... you would not get to interact with the client. ... I don't want a middleman.
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You don't want an agent, I guess!
The only time the client gets involved is at the recording session. _________________ DBCooperVO.com
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Bruce Boardmeister

Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 7978 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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I believe we have at least one current member of Studio Center and one former member. Maybe they can explain how wonderful it is to belong...if they really work hard to get all their members lots of work.
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mcm Smart Kitteh

Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 2600 Location: w. MA, USA
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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You don't want an agent, I guess!
The only time the client gets involved is at the recording session. |
No, I probably don't. Maybe I'm nuts. Or maybe just really ignorant. |
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kitstern Been Here Awhile
Joined: 06 Feb 2005 Posts: 218 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | The only time the client gets involved is at the recording session. |
Sometimes not even then!
I do agree w/mcm in that I like interacting with clients. I may be wrong, but I think that happens less and less as you move up into higher level work. That's where I want to be, and I don't know if SC will help me to get there.
Any feedback from all former/current SC members would be so appreciated, as I'm trying to make this decision. I'm about 60-40 against at this point.[/quote] _________________ Enjoy life, this is not a rehearsal.
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ConnieTerwilliger Triple G

Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 3381 Location: San Diego - serving the world
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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kitstern wrote: | Quote: | The only time the client gets involved is at the recording session. |
Sometimes not even then!
I do agree w/mcm in that I like interacting with clients. | [/quote]
I want an agent to do all the gosh-darned negotiating and billing and collecting. I deal direct with so many different clients that it gets nuts sometimes - I forgot to send invoices a couple of months ago and I'm just now tracking that down. I LOVE it when one of my agents calls me to let me know that they have a booking for me.
But that is for the stuff the agent would actually want to handle - you do get pretty good at doing quick estimates on the small stuff that doesn't need (or would be able to pay for) an intermediary. I have several clients that send me small stuff every week and I invoice once a month. I get to charge a minimum session fee each time something comes in and it adds up. _________________ Playing for a living...
www.voiceover-talent.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:53 am Post subject: Re: Studio Center. |
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kitstern wrote: | Here's the word from their talent director:
Quote: | You don't not have to give up your agent or prior clients if you attach a list with your contract detailing your current accounts. We do require our talent to be exclusive with us which means that you cannot participate on any other marketing material for voice overs.
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I emailed back asking for clarification, and this includes Voice 123, Interactive Voices and Commercial Voices.com, all of which have me on their Websites.
Deidre and I have been talking about this, but I'd sure appreciate some input from other members. Do you get work from Studio Center? Do you also belong to ProComm? Thanks. |
As mentioned before, I've been exclusive with Studio Center since 1979. I've sent two kids through college, gave a house to a woman that hates me, bought another one, have nice (but certainly not new) cars and all those kind of things without EVER doing voice work through anybody else other than Studio Center.
I am a freelance writer/producer because I enjoy it.
You won't get true words of wisdom from me very often but here is one you can turn into a sign and hang on a wall:
ALWAYS HAVE AN ATTORNEY LOOK OVER ANY CONTRACT. |
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Philip Banks Je Ne Sais Quoi

Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 11076 Location: Portgordon, Scotland
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:00 am Post subject: |
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Is this a "I want my cake and eat it problem". I regularly read postings about the Union/Non- Union issue and it would appear that most voices want to do non- union work at union rates but not exclude themselves from union work by belonging to the union whilst not be a member except when they are, or not.
Decision time. In this instance it's run with Studio Center or not. If you run with them then you work together for your mutual benefit. Not only do they get you work (hopefully) but you continue to serve your existing clients through them. It could be made to work but it would require commitment and trust on both sides. |
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kitstern Been Here Awhile
Joined: 06 Feb 2005 Posts: 218 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:33 am Post subject: Studio Center. |
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I just had another chat with their talent director and re-read the contract. It appears that because they're expanding so fast and because of the nature of the Internet, they're being more stringent with their talent about being up on other marketing sites. There was a disconnect for me because several of their voices are up at V123, and I wondered what that was about.
I have no problem giving up V123, as long as I can still market myself in other ways, keep my agent and still do work outside of SC. And, per Chris's advice (thank you again) I'll have an attorney look at the contract.
Thank you so much to the members who offered their opinion. I'll let you know what I decide. _________________ Enjoy life, this is not a rehearsal.
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imaginator The Thirteenth Floor

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 1348 Location: raleigh, nc
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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i got all the way up to signing the contract, but hit the same wall you did.
in order to be a part of studio center's talent list, i could not be listed as an available talent anywhere else. for me, that meant procomm and sunspots specifically (where i'm somewhat established and do a fair amount of regular work), and some other places that have offered free listings. ...not enough to buy houses with, but still a lot more than i could throw away while rebuilding a financial base.
politely acknowledging studio center could not be expected to offer any guarantees, i stated i'd need to replace a minium dollar amount to give up what i've already established, and i apologised for wasting their time.
unless someone's going to provide a salary, it's very hard to pledge such loyalty upfront and still have any hope of paying the bills.
i'll be interested to know how it goes with anyone else. _________________ rowell gormon
www.voices2go.com
"Mr. Warm & Friendly Voice...with Character!"
Rowell Gormon's Clogged Blog - http://voices2go.com/blog |
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kitstern Been Here Awhile
Joined: 06 Feb 2005 Posts: 218 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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At this point the only thing I'll be giving up is V123 (where my subscription is almost u , Commercial Voices.com (ditto) and Interactive Voices (where I've just joined). Jobs gotten from those sources don't account for much of my income, except for the clients I've done work for and are now officially "mine". If I was getting regular work from ProComm or Sunspots that would be a different story.
When I hear from my lawyer about the contract I'll let y'all know what he says. _________________ Enjoy life, this is not a rehearsal.
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