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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:59 am    Post subject: OPERA Reply with quote

Hey George,

What about Opera? Couldn't it solve the packet hand off problem?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure how Opera would help Source Connect.
However, Source Connect already has a technology built in called "Restore and Replace" that completely solves the drop-out problems. Now we just need to get studios to start using it! Sorry to hear about the issues, Kara.
It's prudent for any production studio that can't afford to go down to have a backup system in place.

I hope ISDN stays around forever, but it won't. Many countries in the world have zero ISDN support now. Phone companies don't care if it works well for voice-over. When telcos decide it is no longer worth supporting (just try convincing Verizon to give you new ISDN service), they'll stop.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the same trouble as Kara recently. The client couldn't get it working at their end - many dropouts. The upside is that another VO saw that I was on SC and we had a jolly good chat after my session was aborted Smile It sure beats the telephone!

I had to update SC recently and now every time I turn that computer on, I get a message that "this version of Source Connect requires authorization for you to use it" and I can either Buy or Quit.

If I have my iLok plugged in, then I don't get that message. Instead I get a Q Manager message box that says "Config file not found or contain [sic] ivalid [sic] data."

Harmless I guess, but super annoying.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I've noted before, as long as radio stations keep using ISDN for all of their off-site talent and the sports networks and stations keep using it for game broadcasts it will remain the #1 method of getting voice from here to there instantly. Telco's like money and while the big users keep using, they'll keep providing. When the biggies walk away from it, then I'm guessing we'll all have to walk away from it.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

soundgun wrote:
(just try convincing Verizon to give you new ISDN service),


....Getting ISDN installed can be a challenge now for sure, but it IS still possible. Laugh

I had it installed in July of 2009, Melissa Ex just had it installed last month & Mike Harrison had his lines moved to his new place after he moved last month as well..... BTW, all 3 of us are in NJ.

Oh...but I also have SC...but haven't had the need to use it in months.

I used ISDN just yesterday, and have gotten 3 news clients just from having it. Laugh
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:19 am    Post subject: Restore and Replace Reply with quote

The computers continue communicating after the session to perfect the recording, right? How long does this take? I assume you can go on to other tasks even other sessions.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it continues on with the Q manager in the background as you move on to the next thing. How long it takes depend on how many repairs are made or how much they decide to replace with the AIFF versions of the files, and how fast the upload speed of your Internet connect. It could take minutes, or hours...

Yep, Liz is right of course, you can still order ISDN in many places. I get it installed for a client once a month or so.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:52 pm    Post subject: NYC Convert Reply with quote

The Production Company Ive been working with in Manhattan for The History Channel just pulled the plug on isdn and went all Source Connect from now on. They told me it wasn't the portability that made them reject isdn. What sold them was the superior sound quality and the ease of use. Getting rid of the phone lines and not paying isdn charges on sessions were important as well.

Most of my buddies in LA, Chicago and NYC are using Source Connect more than isdn. Change is slow but inevitable. For us, sure, offer all 4, these two, phone patch and your choice of FTP upload. Service is what we do. We lead. We stay ahead. If we follow, we fall behind.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm incredulous that Source Elements practically doubled the price of Source Connect to $695 for the basic version. (It was $395).

Skype or whomever will inevitably come out with a $49 version that will work just as well or better - SC will either be forced to slash their price to something reasonable, or cease to be a defacto standard. I suppose they're grabbing the money while they have some momentum, but raising the price of admission at now can only slow Source Connects market penetration.

I'm also doing more Source Connect than ISDN now. All my Source Connected clients bought it before the price increase.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

verbcrunch wrote:
I'm incredulous that Source Elements practically doubled the price of Source Connect to $695 for the basic version. (It was $395).


Dude! Hmm, looks like I missed this event.

Meh. I'd heard them pinged for one "money grab" before and took it with a grain of salt at the time, but now I must say getting a full license just dropped a notch on my list of things to do.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been waiting until the installed base grows. Which I'm sure has slowed down since the price jump. I'm still rooting for it...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:43 pm    Post subject: Source-Connect, it's not just for VO. Reply with quote

The price change was for Source-Connect Standard. Studios purchasing Source-Connect Pro would not be effected.

All things equal, 70,000 voiceover artists are *not* their sole market. Somewhere in this vast universe sits a musician firing up ProTools and his/her Source-connect plugin to record tracks. I know three brass musicians using it for film scoring and I'm sure there are others.

Skype will never have a need for "Restore and Replace" given it's current design goals. If they shift, great. I doubt anything other than ISDN itself will exist (and be accepted) in this category for at least five more years.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Source-Connect, it's not just for VO. Reply with quote

kgenus wrote:
All things equal, 70,000 voiceover artists are *not* their sole market. Somewhere in this vast universe sits a musician firing up ProTools and his/her Source-connect plugin to record tracks. I know three brass musicians using it for film scoring and I'm sure there are others.

Skype will never have a need for "Restore and Replace" given it's current design goals. If they shift, great. I doubt anything other than ISDN itself will exist (and be accepted) in this category for at least five more years.


Yeah... I've been interested in it as a musician as well. There are still variables also within that customer segment that slow adoption i.e. not all musicians compose primarily for commerce, rather they'll make music for artistic purposes first and then try to find whatever commercial placements they can for their work secondarily... and that subsegment is increasingly turning to live performances (including merch sales) for revenues, not the selling or licensing of its recorded works. Even musicians who do compose primarily for film / TV, some do it all fine on their own or just using local session players.

As much as I like many things about Protools and the idea of ultimately never having to install ISDN, I agree that the phase-out of the latter is going to continue to be a slow process.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is source connect considered an audio over IP application that works along the same lines at the telephony application of VOIP?
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